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Looking at an H thinking it would provide more power than my 140. The ci displacement ratio is 152 / 123 = 1.24 would lead one to believe it could have 28 hp. I would like to have 30+. Any one driven both who can say if the H ('49) would have noticeably more power? Maybe I need bigger.
 
Depends on what you plan to do with it... if you are looking at "pulling" something, the H will pull a heck of a lot more than the 140. Things beside engine HP come into play... gearing, weight, tire size, etc. Your figures may be close on PTO or belt HP, but that's a small part of what the capabilities are.
 

Yea, mainly pulling (bush hog / sickle mower / boom pole etc).

I think I see what you mean. 3800 vs 3000 lbs in wt and 38 vs 24 inch tires must be worth something. I think an H would be better on gas than an M. Just wondering about the umph.
 

Most Farmall Hs have already had the engine rebuilt with the over bore kit, which increases the displacement to 164 C.I. The same as a Super H.
30 plus horsepower is very realistic, plus, the additional weight and larger diameter tires make ALL the difference in the world.
 
Rusty is on target. The H is right at twice the tractor compared to a 140. Statistics don't lie, but they are not in this case the answer is seat of the pants. Drive one. JimN
 
Terry: Pound for pound the 140 will give an H a hard run. We used to do tractor pulls whereby tractor pulling highest percentage of it's own weight was the winner. Super A is one hell of a hard tractor to beat on that percentage pull.

Put them in the field and the 140 wont hold a candle to the extra weight and the 38" tires. We had a discussion a few days ago on Scotty's question pulling trailer plows. His Super C will pull 2x14 trailer mainly due to 36" tires and the extra chloride they hold. No way those 25 hp with 24" tires can pull 2x14 trailer plow.
 
(quoted from post at 16:15:21 03/18/09) Terry: Pound for pound the 140 will give an H a hard run. We used to do tractor pulls whereby tractor pulling highest percentage of it's own weight was the winner. Super A is one hell of a hard tractor to beat on that percentage pull.

Put them in the field and the 140 wont hold a candle to the extra weight and the 38" tires. We had a discussion a few days ago on Scotty's question pulling trailer plows. His Super C will pull 2x14 trailer mainly due to 36" tires and the extra chloride they hold. No way those 25 hp with 24" tires can pull 2x14 trailer plow.
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To add to Hughs reply, my dad had an H for a few years with the Super H sleeves and pistons and he pulled a 3x14' plow. He had one set of wheel weights in back, a couple of "suitcase" weights in front and had no trouble at all pulling it.
You mention the tools you plan to use and it's a combination of PTO and pulling power needed... the H would do fine, but something with an independent PTO would be even better.
 
If there"s a way you may want to try one out first. Don"t know if you would be happy with no live hydraulics, PTO or the slow forth gear with big jump to fifth gear. A good 300 with live PTO, hydraulics and wider choice of transmission speeds, with a T/A may be a better choice. Even if the engine is tired horsepower would probably be in the mid thirtys. Good running one may be over 40 horsepower. Down side is there not as simple as a H and with T/A and live units some repairs may cost more. Also will use more gas.
You may consider a SC, 200 or 230 also, but for brush hog I would go with a 300 or 350 or something else or brand. My opinion is a SC, 200 or 230 with a fast hitch has a H beat in the versatility department. Thats just my opinion and it doesn"t count for much with the wife and you can feel free to question it also.
 
Rusty, The over bore for the H with out boring is 3 7/16" the Super pistons 3 1/2" wont fit without boring them out. So displacement is around 159ci or so. Its funny because the M will fit the super M pistons in it etc... and the C will fit a Super C piston. just interesting

Andrew
 
I agree with Slater, you cant beat the C, Super C, 200, 230 for shear versatility best tractor in that time period. Not too big were there cumbersome to get into places yet not to small that you have to be fighting it to pull something ect....

Andrew
 
there are a lot of sick h's out there but, if you had an h that isn't worn out with m+w pistons in it you would have a tractor that would drag a 140 backwards without even knowing it was there.
 
Randy: Don't get too cocky, the H would be quite aware of the 140 presence. My brothers once hooked Farmall 130 drawbar to drawbasr with a 52 hp David Brown 990. Farmall 130 had wheel weights and chloride, the David Brown had neither solid or liquid weight added. It did have 16.9x30 tires. On hard gravel driveway the 130 pulled David Brown backwards wheels spinning and diff lock engaged. Guy on the 130 decided to give David Brown head start, however soon as he dropped his clutch everything went in 130 direction. It wasn't until they went to a feild situation that DB pulled 130 backwards.

Yes, the H will pull the 140 backwards, but don't get the idea it will be a run away. Your talking roughly 25% more hp and 25% more weight, that's all. Believe me, I farmed quite a few years with H, 300, 130 and a Cockshutt 540, and the 130 could make it up the grade to our barns pulling 150 bales of hay just as fast as any of the rest.
 
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