Flat Head Farmalls

I know I have been slapped down in the past for saying I remember a flat head C in my childhood. There were some flat head Farmalls. Follow the link and see a cub flat head.
Cub Flat Head

Yup and nope. Nobody I know would argue about the Cubs having flatheads. They did.

As for Cs, they didn't have flat heads, never did, and anybody that told you they didn't wasn't slapping you down, they were just stating the facts.

If they said there was never a flathead Farmall, then we can pick things apart. I wasn't there for the discussion. Was a Cub part of the Farmall line or not? I couldn't say.

My suggestion -- get over it, blow it off, whatever you've got to do, and join in.

Other than the Cub, with the C-60 flathead 4, there hasn't been a flathead Farmall since 1939...and I'm not familiar with the tractors before 1939.

If you remember a flathead C, you should've got the name of the guy who swapped a different engine in...because it sure wasn't factory.

The first production Farmall F-12 tractors were equipped with a Waukesha flathead engine - about 2,500 or so total.

I see one every so often at old iron shows.

The easy answer to this is: - next time anyone sees one get the engine #no and we'll chase it down to its origins. Lets face it anybody can get any engine to fit into any vehicle (well almost)So theres no reason to say theres no flat head C. But it certainely doesn't appear anywhere on IH list. (prototype? well maybe.)MTF

JMHO but the flathead design is limited in horsepower and efficiency (trying to combust between two flat plates wastes a lot of heat energy).

The OHV designs in the rest of the Farmall lineup (A and up) is much more suited to building power.

Yes, the original Cub was called "Farmall." As far as I know, only the Cub and the very first F-12 had flat-head engines. I don't have information to check this out right now, but I am pretty sure the McCormick-Deering W-40 (gas, six cylinders) had a flat-head engine, as did, incidentally, several of the smaller International trucks of the late 30s and at least into the 40s. Sorry I can't be more authoritative--this is from vague memories. I'd welcome corrections from anybody who has more info.

The W40's were not a flat head engine.

Steelfronts is right. I looked in various sources and found a fuzzy picture of a WA-40, which DOES have a six-cylinder engine that from a distance looks like a flathead because it does not completely fill up the engine compartment--there is a good bit of space above the engine, probably because of a fairly short stroke for a tractor engine of that era (4.5", compared to the 6.5" of the WD-40, which would make for a taller engine). Also, the manifolds are on the right side, like most flatheads (this because of the traditional position of the camshaft on the right side of the engine, just below the valves). In Will and Markle's Farmall Regular and F-Series, there is a very good picture of a WA-40 seen from the left, and the o'head-valve configuration is obvious. I'll step out on a limb here, and look for comment from people who might know IH industrial engines from the late 30s and early 40s. From the outside, the 6-cylinder engine looks quite a bit like the International K-series truck engines starting with K-6. The obvious differences are the magneto and governor(both on the left side of the engine!). There is an oil filter quite low on the block, right behind the mag. I'm looking at IHC K-6 through K-11 truck brochures from the early 40s: the engines from K-8 through K-11 have a similar oil filter at that spot. The stroke on the truck engines up through K-10 is 4.5", just like the WA-40. The trucks also had the manifolds on the right and the plugs on the left, whereas most o'head-valve engines were the other way around. Were there good engineering reasons for this?
My guess is that the WA-40 engine is a variant of the truck engines, used for tractors and maybe industrial use. I briefly looked on the net for International Industrial Engines, but didn't get any hits on an engine like this from the late 30s.

Anybody out there who knows these engines, and can tell the rest of us whether there is anything to all this speculation based on pictures and brochures?