Any reason not to....

Dave H (MI) · Nov 30, 2009

...use a 12v lamp in a 6v system? Here's the reason. Tractor has one burned out lamp. It is a Philips 4019 sealed beam 30w 6v lamp. Web search finds only one supplier and they want about $12.50 for the lamp...no problem. BUT, they want the UPS minimum $11 shipping fee which is REALLY starting to tick me off because these internet companies are charging this even if you only buy a washer. So now I am grumbling. Go to check out? Need a minimum $24.50 order to check out. Now I am more than grumbling but I need the lamp so I order two. Get to the end of checkout and I am now up to $40 for two lamps and shipping. Cancelled the order! I will go with one headlight rather than pay $40 for one useable lamp. Wouldn't a 12v lamp work and just tend to run dim? Pretty sure I can get those locally.

old · Nov 30, 2009

Dim isn't the word for it, it would not even light up enough to see a foot. That said any good parts store will have no problem getting you a bulb that will work and be the right voltage. BTDT and ya they had to order it in but it only cost me the price of the bulb no shipping was added

Jeff Z. · Nov 30, 2009

Like Old says go to a good parts store.
Our NAPA store has that bulb in stock all the time. $17.00

Dave H (MI) · Nov 30, 2009

Awesome. I hope that works. I'll stop by Carquest and ask while I am out.

ScottyHOMeY · Nov 30, 2009

Take your fuel bowl with ya!

Dave H (MI) · Nov 30, 2009

Dang! I didn't even think of it! Thanks for the heads up, I'll run out and grab it now. Gots to stop and feed the pidgies on the way down.

old · Nov 30, 2009

I would not hold my breath that car quest will have what you need. I would try a real auto parts store like NAPA or O'reilly's if you have either one of those in your area. I have found at least where I live a car quest is no more then a box store where if it is not in the computer they can not get the parts. Also be sure to take your old bulb with you so as to size match

rustyfarmall · Nov 30, 2009

Don't blame the internet company for those high shipping prices. They have no control over that. Having said that, I will also comment that U.P.S. is always much higher than U.S.P.S. priority mail, and UPS is usually slower also. When shopping on the internet, look for a company that will ship by Priority mail.

ScottyHOMeY · Nov 30, 2009

I hear ya , old, but just from talkin' with folks and watchin' the posts on here, a lot of it varies from place to place and between stores. I'm pretty lucky here. I've got two NAPAs, both excellent stores with great folks on the counter, each about 18 miles away in different directions. But maybe part of the reason they're so good is that whoever has the CarQuest franchise for this area is giving them a run for their money by having sharp people working in well-stocked stores. They both compete pretty hard for the shop and walk-in trades.

That said, I've lived places where the guys on the NAPA counter were helpless and un-helpful. I don't know anything about O'Reilly's. Our poor-service stores up here are the AutoZones,VIPs and Advances.

old · Nov 30, 2009

Where I live I have one choice and that is O'reilly's no other stores for at least 25 miles. I have a dealer account with them which in the long run saves me a few $$ plus makes it easy to return things if I need to do so. Most of the people in O'reilly's know who I am and some even seem to hide when I come in because they know I'm looking for that odd ball part or that part for an old tractor, truck or motorcycle. Shoot I have had to train a few of them so they can find what I need. Funny how I have applied for a job there in the past and they will not hire me.

Dave H (MI) · Nov 30, 2009

Well that worked out. Carquest had the lamp in their computer and it will be in first thing in the AM....$17. The gasket for the sediment bowl surely did throw them so no-go there. I THINK I bought that thing at TSC so mebbe I check them out next time I go by. Had to go to the "old-timey" hardware in town to get the rest and they had it. So not too bad!

In my town NAPA is located inside a car dealership and is pretty much worthless. There are other NAPA stores around but they are further and I haven't needed them. The Carquest in town has real good guys on the counter and they have been able to keep a pretty good track record with me. That said, I am just starting to get my feet into the deep water, mechanically speaking, and it may happen that I need to find a NAPA down the road.

Dave H (MI) · Nov 30, 2009

I hear what you are saying, but the choice to use UPS exclusively is theirs and I do blame them for it. You are a carb guy so I am sure you realize what the seals look like on a carb shaft...choke for example. VERY small part yet I recently had a company tell me they would charge me $11 to send me one of these seals. When I asked to have it dropped in an envelope with a stamp on it they got a little testy about it. Fortunately it happened that some more parts were needed about a week later so I had the seal included. Not all companies are going this route but it has been pretty constant this year and, frankly, I am getting tired of being mugged on the internet by UPS.

rustyfarmall · Nov 30, 2009

(quoted from post at 11:16:48 11/30/09) I hear what you are saying, but the choice to use UPS exclusively is theirs and I do blame them for it. You are a carb guy so I am sure you realize what the seals look like on a carb shaft...choke for example. VERY small part yet I recently had a company tell me they would charge me $11 to send me one of these seals. When I asked to have it dropped in an envelope with a stamp on it they got a little testy about it. Fortunately it happened that some more parts were needed about a week later so I had the seal included. Not all companies are going this route but it has been pretty constant this year and, frankly, I am getting tired of being mugged on the internet by UPS.

Very few parts can be "just dropped in an envelope" and be expected to arrive in any kind of useable condition. If you want it to arrive in the condition it was in when sent, it has to be packed into a box, and then the cost goes up to the minimum for a package. I don't like it anymore than you or anyone else does, but those delivery trucks do not operate for free, and the high cost of fuel is the one main reason for shipping costs to be that high.

Jeff Z. · Nov 30, 2009

You are right Dave. They do over charge but it's not all the UPS fee. They add on what they can for themselves and add that to the UPS fee.

mkirsch · Nov 30, 2009

You gotta pay for the packing material and the guy to do the packing on that $1 widget with something. It sure ain't coming from the 40% margin on the widget... You got 40 cents to pay for $1 worth of packing material and 15 minutes of a $10/hr person's time.

Okay, so you say make it up on the big orders? What if the customer base only ever orders a couple of small parts worth a few dollars at most? You'd have them go broke!

They could simply charge $8 for the $1 widget. Then shipping would be reasonable, but now you're paying an exhorbitant amount for the part itself! You'd complain about that too!

The only other alternative is to shut their doors and go get jobs at the local Walmart. Now you can't get the part at all!

Businesses are in business to make money. You gotta let them make money, or there will be no businesses to provide you with those odd hard-to-find parts.

Dave H (MI) · Nov 30, 2009

Brilliant. You must have to be of a higher order than I to grasp such a concept. I got a tractor to fix and I feel a pi$$ing contest developing here so I think I will move on with my day. Trucks don't run for free....imagine that.

By the by, the phrase "drop it in an envelope" was not meant to be taken so literally but, FYI, a guy over on the N board had those seals and he was able to get them to me....loose in an envelope...just fine.

Zach Bouchard · Nov 30, 2009

I got a 6v sealed beam at my local parts store for 16 bucks. but napa has them online for 21 if your talking about the sealed beams, i could't imagine wour talking about the teardrop style bulbs.

ScottyHOMeY · Nov 30, 2009

Aha. About my only gripe with CarQuest, given that their stores around here are so good, is that I haven't been able to dfind an online parts lookup for them like NAPA has.

If nothing else materializes (I understand the bowl you have now is a spare, so it's not like there's a hurry), and the FPG 12473 that NAPA has looks like what you need, all FPG means in NAPA parlance is (F)el({P)ro (G)asket. See if CarQuest can cross to a FelPro 12473.

Zach Bouchard · Nov 30, 2009

Another reason to buy as many parts you need from the same place at the same time to consolidate shipping.

rustyfarmall · Nov 30, 2009

For what it's worth, you're paying shipping and handling charges when you buy it down at the local parts store also, but you never see it on your receipt. Don't forget to factor in the cost of driving your truck or car to the parts store and then back home.

Dave H (MI) · Nov 30, 2009

This is Dave, coming to you live from the center of a storm of controversy once again! I'll check that out for the bowl. I may want this bowl for the Loboy if I cannot make the original work. Some of my biggest headaches I have had were trying to save original sediment bowls. Hey, on the up side I have finished the 2N! Going out to put a couple more bolts in the sheet metal and put on the nice original seat I found a couple years back. Even the one headlamp is working. Tomorrow the acid test...single bottom plow. I'm really quite excited about a tractor I never wanted which has been a thorn in my side all fall!

ScottyHOMeY · Nov 30, 2009

Shipping to a local store had best be included in the price, in my book. Fastenal tagged me for shipping on a u-bolt listed in their catalog, and, if I cna help it, I won't do business with them any longer.

To Dave's point, I put a 1# package (the smallest they will allow) on UPS's online rate calculator. Gopong from Bangor ME to SanFrancisco. It came up just a shade under $11. Cut the distance by more than half and send it to Chicago? Just under $10. A stickup. USPS will do the same job, in a day's less time for under $5.

Go to a volume shipper, and UPS's price will be even less, but that's not available to Dave and me. UPS has been jacking things up for some time, and the shippers are using them as an excuse to jack up their own shipping charges, without paying the costs to support them, even with the costs of picking and packing factored in.

ScottyHOMeY · Nov 30, 2009

A veritable maelstrom you've precipitated today!

So . . . you've got it running???? If I read right, that's outstanding! To my eye, they're homely as a stump fence, but they are good little tractors. Have fun and be safe with it!

As far as the sediment bowl, a lot of them suffer from the bails being sprung or having the threads on the nut give out from overtightening (like the hammer rule -- picture a pair of 16" water pump pliers tightening up that potmetal thumbnut). Happily, bails and nuts are to be found on pages 2-4 of the NAPA search.

Happy motoring!

Bob · Nov 30, 2009

The 4019 number is the same for Westinghouse, GE, Wagner, Phillips, etc.

SOME local auto parts store MUST be able to find it by one of those numbers!

Leland2 · Nov 30, 2009

There is a lot of products out there that cost more to ship than there worth ,but look at the cost involved in running a warehouse ,buildings are not free people do not work for free and so on . So quit grumbling you can't drive to them and pick the bulb up .

Andy Martin · Dec 1, 2009

Interesting posts.

Summary you could have had two delivered for $40 or you can go to town twice for $34 plus sales tax.

Point is, the gap is narrowing.

I don't like the high shipping costs either.

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