Will a farmall super h run a New Holland super 717 chopper?

I just recently bought a new holland super 717 chopper and am going to try to put some corn through it and was wonder ing whether or not my old farmall super H would run it well enough not to plug it

In the 60's we ran a 1 row JD chopper with a 350D. It was all the tractor could handle and the chopper really needed a larger tractor. I doubt the Super H will handle it - if so it would be pretty slow going.

yeah thats what I was afraid of but im really not sure how big a tractor that chopper needs although it seems to handle the hay head ok in 1st gear on 3rd cutting so I guess its kind of a chancy thing.

Hi, in the late 50s Dad ran a 1 row IH #15 harvester with a 300U chopping corn in 2nd Lo T/A. The H doesn't have T/A so probably 1st gear.

JimB

The #15 mustve been a brand new chopper at the time they started making them in 58 i think, was yours pto driven or engine driven?

Don't know what a 717 N-H chopper is, but we ran a single row PTO IH back in the mid-'60s with a 450 gas. The ranch had a 350D and I wouldn't have wanted to run it with that. It probably would have ran it, but it would have worked the tar out of it.

I run a 717 with my m, that dyno's at 52 hp with power to spare. I think that a super h would have no problem, just pick the right gear.

We used to pull a 717 with a Cokshutt 570 Super that was turned up to close to 100 horse. In big heavy corn it was all you could do in 2nd gear.

I'm very familiar w/ the 717super chopper. I do believe they are a tough machine. You have mentioned that you would like to power w/ a Super H. Here's what I know...My aunt and uncle had a 717 when I was a boy (30+ yrs ago, they owned it since new and still have it) They ran it with a MF 180D-'bout 63HP. We chopped haylage with the grass head, heavy windrows made it work.
Now an up to date. Every fall I help a pal of mine-cutting his corn silage with a 717S. He hooks to a White 2-88 (about 87 HP according to external_link) Now, if the plant population is heavy and the stalks are large, it takes the diesel running at around 1800RPM, 2nd gear with the O/U in drive (mid range) to get the job done. And, there are times I pull to the low side of this 3 spd. aux. drive.
The thing I'll mention is that the 717 only has the cutterhead to propel the material to the wagon. There are times if the forage is heavy enough, even the 2-88 doesen't effectively load the back of the wagon. Something to consider when contemplating using a Super H.
Also, my uncle also had a 340 RC, and one afternoon we had the 180 doin something else. He tried chopping the haylage w/ that...1st gear, torque back as I remember. Said "I'll appreciate 30 more Horsepower".
Hope this is a help, Brian

No,Not if you want to get anything done.Use the H to pull it to the field,then put another tractor on it.Get in soft ground pulling that chopper with a wagon load of silage and You'll see.

First, does Super H have independent PTO ? If it doesn't , FORGET IT !

I've never run a chopper BUT I know my grandfather used to chop with a small IH single row chopper with his 200.

K

Hi, Dad had one of the very first production #15s. He went to an IH demo in the fall of 1956 and IH was demoing the #15 chopping corn being driven by a SA.
So he ordered a #15 to be delivered in the late summer of 1957. We had a SC and JD420 both without live PTO. He used the JD420 to drive the #15 but the 420 had very poor gearing, 1st was to slow, 2nd to fast. He used a neighbours B250 on the #15 a lot.
That #15 was nothing but problems with the corn head. The IH Field Man was constantly at our farm. Chopped several gathering chains that fall, a bolt holding one of the cutter head knives on broke and the knife cut a nice circle around the drum before crashing into the shear bar. To IH's credit, they supplied replacement parts and gave us a redesigned corn head for the following season.
That fall Dad trade SC for a 300U with T/A and IPTO. The 300U handled the #15 very well in 2nd LO T/A but used a lot of gas in heavy corn.

JimB

(quoted from post at 03:06:02 12/05/09) I just recently bought a new holland super 717 chopper and am going to try to put some corn through it and was wonder ing whether or not my old farmall super H would run it well enough not to plug it

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Dry short corn, dry gound, no hills or dales, for fun of course; maybe!

No experience with the chopper, but I just want to reinforce the idea of either an independent PTO on the tractor or an overrunning clutch (on the chopper). The PTO will continue to drive the tractor until the machine stops. There is a lot of momentum in big machines like this. There is an old trick for disengaging the PTO--push in the cluch real quick while you flick the PTO out of gear, or blip the throttle closed while you try to unmesh the PTO gears--but that is very difficult with a big machine because it is putting a lot of pressure on the gears and they become very hard to disengage. The trick works pretty well with a rear-mounted mower or something without much momentum, but not at all well on machines like combines or choppers. Did a lot of combining with an F-20 and old-fashioned PTO, and sometimes it was possible to do the throttle-blip trick if the combine wasn't actually working, but if there was much going through the machine, the pressure on the tractor gears made disengaging the PTO really difficult.

The Super H will run it if you have another Super H to pull the whole rig.