This a Farmall seat pan or an aftermarket seat ?

Yooper Farmall · Jan 8, 2013

On Farmallhal's suggestion I decided I'd send my seat pan off to Darrel to have recovered. I contacted Darrel by email and he said I should check the lip to make sure it is in good shape so he can open it up, I don't see a lip. I knew I had an aftermarket Flow-ting seat base, but I assumed they used the original Farmall seat pan on it, now after seeing Patrick HDM's pipe seat picture I don't think so.

Yooper Farmall · Jan 8, 2013

Patrick HDM's seat pan

AL Moyer in Pa. · Jan 8, 2013

Doesn't look like any Farmall seat that I've seen, the lip he's talking about, crimped the canvas in around the edge.

DC Snider · Jan 8, 2013

No I don't think it's an IHC pan either...

1960s · Jan 8, 2013

No that is an aftermarket seat i have a farmall H and M with that same seat not sure what company made them.

Jim Becker · Jan 8, 2013

I believe some of the early letter series tractors came with a non-upholstered seat. I don't know if it was very early ones, war tractors or what. That is what this seat pan looks like.

gene bender · Jan 8, 2013

That seat is from an A or a B with the hardware removed. Its an early one.

Red Dave · Jan 9, 2013

I agree. That is exactly what I have on my '40 B.

The holes for the latch confirm it.

sflem849 · Jan 9, 2013

(quoted from post at 21:05:36 01/08/13) No that is an aftermarket seat i have a farmall H and M with that same seat not sure what company made them.

I think it is a Knoedler aka "Suicide Seat" because the one my neighbor has tries to throw you off the back of the tractor.

nosih · Jan 9, 2013

The seat support is aftermarket. The seat pan is original IH for the early H and M. The early H and M tractors could have been upholstered or upholstered. The upholstered pans of the style shown, would have had the material riveted to the pan (lots of holes around the rim). These early pans are also much thinner than the later style, and are usually cracked.

gene bender · Jan 9, 2013

The H,Ms didnt have the locking rod where the four holes are and the bar at the back has been removed. I have some A,B seat pans like the pic. No holes to hold the padded cover

Nebraska Cowman · Jan 9, 2013

Are you sure Gene? Why does it have the rail riveted on for the H & M? Did IH use the same basic pan for all models at first?

Yooper Farmall · Jan 9, 2013

Thank you very much for all the help figuring this out.

So I guess I need to find an H or M seat, I am assuming an H or M seat will bolt right up to my Knoedler Flow-ting seat base, looks like currently have an optional flip back seat, but a standard 4 bolt seat might work.

Let me know if anyone has a pan they"d like to sell.

Yooper Farmall · Jan 9, 2013

Found a picture of a Knoodler Flow-ting base with a standard seat mounted, rather than my flip back

MisterT · Jan 9, 2013

Yooper, I think some of these guys are getting the pictures confused, or maybe it's how this forum is displaying the comments, but to get to the point, that seat you have is exclusive to the mounting base it is on. It is a "one of a kind", and no one makes replacement seat pans to fit it. If you want it to be upholstered, you might be able to find a "slip-on" seat cover to fit it. Another option is to find a used, original pipe seat, or a used Monroe style seat which will offer a much improved ride and readily available brand new, upholstered seat pans.

LMack · Jan 9, 2013

The Farmall seat has a clip spot welded to the bottom with provision for four mounting bolts. Check the CIH web site for a picture. I could not get a good look at the bottom of your seat pan so I could not tell if it resembled the Farmall seat. I have a pan with two mounting bolts through the seat pan and it was an aftermarket seat. My 200 has a standard Farmall seat with four bolts. I guess I could get some pictures of the four bolt Farmall set up if you needed it. Send me an email if you need pictures.

gene bender · Jan 9, 2013

The riveted part was added . The four holes are for the spring loaded rod that latched to the springs and the flat spots are where the stops or base mounts fastened. The rod at the back is not there or has been removed. I would guess the original purchase was from the original manufacture of that seat pan. Did IH make their seat pans ive never read about them. When you see that 220,000 As and Bs pluss the SA 100,130 and early 140 all used the same pans with lock rod and springs its a bunch So i buy the seat pan minus the rod and locking rod i can put any kind of mount on the bottom i want. Very interesting. Just like the thousands of Donaldson air cleaners for all the brands of tractors. Then the Guide lites on all tractors of that period numbers realy add up.

Yooper Farmall · Jan 9, 2013

Your email wasn"t listed. Here is a bottom picture.

Farmallhal · Jan 9, 2013

Ask Darrell if he has one as he usually has extras available as he buys them when he can find them at shows. I got one from him one time when mine was rusted beyond recovering, Hal.

Jim Becker · Jan 9, 2013

I still think that is just the standard IH seat pan. They used the same stamping then riveted/welded the other parts needed for either the A/B or the H/M.

nosih · Jan 9, 2013

that is correct.

MisterT · Jan 9, 2013

(quoted from post at 23:47:47 01/09/13) I still think that is just the standard IH seat pan. They used the same stamping then riveted/welded the other parts needed for either the A/B or the H/M.

Did you notice those square shaped indentations? I've never seen those on any IH made seat.

D Slater · Jan 9, 2013

I agree they were on some H and M tractors. 41 model H that was in use on the farm as I grew up had one just like it except it was covered at one time. By the time I started using it the cover ring was the only thing left.

Jim Becker · Jan 9, 2013

(quoted from post at 20:55:56 01/09/13)

(quoted from post at 23:47:47 01/09/13) I still think that is just the standard IH seat pan. They used the same stamping then riveted/welded the other parts needed for either the A/B or the H/M.

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Did you notice those square shaped indentations? I've never seen those on any IH made seat.

Yes. They are needed on the A/B tractors.

MisterT · Jan 10, 2013

(quoted from post at 05:39:56 01/10/13)

(quoted from post at 20:55:56 01/09/13)

(quoted from post at 23:47:47 01/09/13) I still think that is just the standard IH seat pan. They used the same stamping then riveted/welded the other parts needed for either the A/B or the H/M.

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Did you notice those square shaped indentations? I've never seen those on any IH made seat.

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Yes. They are needed on the A/B tractors.

The H, M, through 450 do NOT have those indentations.

Jim Becker · Jan 10, 2013

There are a lot of parts on a 450 that are not the same as an early M. This is one of them.

MisterT · Jan 10, 2013

(quoted from post at 15:41:55 01/10/13) There are a lot of parts on a 450 that are not the same as an early M. This is one of them.

The 450 uses the same seat as used on the H with the Monroe seat.

Jim Becker · Jan 10, 2013

(quoted from post at 12:45:19 01/10/13)

(quoted from post at 15:41:55 01/10/13) There are a lot of parts on a 450 that are not the same as an early M. This is one of them.

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The 450 uses the same seat as used on the H with the Monroe seat.

The seat in the original question is not a monroe seat.

This a Farmall seat pan or an aftermarket seat ?

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