Need help identifying steering pump Ford 5610

FordManiac · Nov 21, 2017

I own a 1983 Ford 5610 with Cab, MWFD, and front loader. Can anyone help me identify which power steering pump I need? Unfortunately there were not many English style tractors like this here in the US in the early 80s so I’m having difficulty identifying the correct pump. Earlier this year the housing of the steering sector burst a piece out of it so I needed to replace it. The gentlemen helping me with the parts said I had the incorrect pump installed which provided either 2500 or 3500 psi (this led to sector damage)but he said I actually needed the one providing about 1100 psi. Problem is that now the steering is fairly hard to use so I’m wondering if they actually gave me the wrong pump or if I have another issue. I have attached pictures of the tractor, tractor serial number and part numbers of the steering sector and new pump. I think I really need someone that knows the English tractors to get to the bottom of this. Can anyone help me? So far all the dealers have been non-helpful to me. Really hope we can figure this out as I love this tractor. Thank you

FordManiac · Nov 21, 2017

Bern · Nov 21, 2017

E6NN3K514EA does not come up in a part search, making me think they typed the number wrong on the invoice. Go out and get the number straight
off of the pump and reply back with it. Better yet, if you still have the old pump, post that one as well.

FordManiac · Nov 21, 2017

It’s is a good number as I just checked it. For some reason it’s no longer in New Holland’s database though. Looking on the Net I have found suppliers that sell this part number though

Bern · Nov 21, 2017

Link to supplier's website?

Destroked 450 · Nov 21, 2017

Pump # E6NN3K514EA was changed to E6NN3K514EA99M and superseded to 87759440
It shows to be a good number for a ps pump on a 5600 without cab and is rated for 1100 psi.

The correct pump for a 5610 is E6NN3K514PA99M which is superseded to 82858430 but no psi rating is listed.

The highest psi pump I could find was 1600 psi for a backhoe with hydrostatic steering, the pump for my 4500 industrial makes 1250 psi.
If your old pump was making 2500-3000psi someone shimmed the heck out of it.

The added weight of the cab, MFWD and loader puts a lot of stress on the older style steering sectors and is likely part of the reason Ford changed them to hydrostatic steering in 85.

You can get the correct pump or see if someone can tell you what the psi is for the correct pump, you could have the pump you have shimmed for more pressure but I wouldn't get to crazy or you'll be replacing the sector again.

PS: the tractors serial numbers didn't show so I was wondering what makes you say it's a English model, the sliding back glass in the cab is normally only seen in US models, on EU models the bottom of the back glass normally flips out.

FordManiac · Nov 21, 2017

(quoted from post at 13:25:10 11/21/17)
Pump # E6NN3K514EA was changed to E6NN3K514EA99M and superseded to 87759440
It shows to be a good number for a ps pump on a 5600 without cab and is rated for 1100 psi.

The correct pump for a 5610 is E6NN3K514PA99M which is superseded to 82858430 but no psi rating is listed.

The highest psi pump I could find was 1600 psi for a backhoe with hydrostatic steering, the pump for my 4500 industrial makes 1250 psi.
If your old pump was making 2500-3000psi someone shimmed the heck out of it.

The added weight of the cab, MFWD and loader puts a lot of stress on the older style steering sectors and is likely part of the reason Ford changed them to hydrostatic steering in 85.

You can get the correct pump or see if someone can tell you what the psi is for the correct pump, you could have the pump you have shimmed for more pressure but I wouldn't get to crazy or you'll be replacing the sector again.

PS: the tractors serial numbers didn't show so I was wondering what makes you say it's a English model, the sliding back glass in the cab is normally only seen in US models, on EU models the bottom of the back glass normally flips out.

Sorry didn’t realize the serial number didn’t post correctly. Hopefully it works this time. Great info so maybe we’re making some headway.

Destroked 450 · Nov 21, 2017

C713039 shows you're tractor to be a early 84 US model.
I can understand part of the confusion in thinking it was possibly a English model, personally I can say it's the first early 5610 cab model I've ever seen with MFWD.

FordManiac · Nov 21, 2017

Well that explains a lot then. I went to my dealer and thought it was a US-made tractor but was surprised when they told me it was English. Anyway, just seems to be very little info on this exact tractor which brings me to my issue trying to find the correct pump. I really wish I would’ve kept the original pump or at least the part number off of the pump. However there’s no way to know if it was the original pump or not. So you still feel confident the part number you gave me is the correct one?

Destroked 450 · Nov 21, 2017

Of all the pumps listed E6NN3K514PA99M is the only one listed for the early 81 to MAR-85 5610.
Farther search shows it's the only pump presently listed for 81-88 5610's.

Basically you need more pressure in order to steer with the added weight, but your limited to the old style steering sectors ability to handle pressure needed to steer with that weight plus the stress subjected to the sector.

Even with a empty loader you should be able to turn the wheels sitting still on firm ground, with a full bucket or round bale on the loader or in soft ground not likely, but steering should be fairly easy when moving.
The hydrostatic steering on my 6610 cab 2WD with a round bale on the loader in soft ground will stall at times when sitting still, but goes back to steering fine as soon as the tractor starts moving.

FordManiac · Dec 20, 2017

(quoted from post at 13:25:10 11/21/17)
Pump # E6NN3K514EA was changed to E6NN3K514EA99M and superseded to 87759440
It shows to be a good number for a ps pump on a 5600 without cab and is rated for 1100 psi.

The correct pump for a 5610 is E6NN3K514PA99M which is superseded to 82858430 but no psi rating is listed.

The highest psi pump I could find was 1600 psi for a backhoe with hydrostatic steering, the pump for my 4500 industrial makes 1250 psi.
If your old pump was making 2500-3000psi someone shimmed the heck out of it.

The added weight of the cab, MFWD and loader puts a lot of stress on the older style steering sectors and is likely part of the reason Ford changed them to hydrostatic steering in 85.

You can get the correct pump or see if someone can tell you what the psi is for the correct pump, you could have the pump you have shimmed for more pressure but I wouldn't get to crazy or you'll be replacing the sector again.

PS: the tractors serial numbers didn't show so I was wondering what makes you say it's a English model, the sliding back glass in the cab is normally only seen in US models, on EU models the bottom of the back glass normally flips out.

So looking on eBay this pump can vary by $200 or so. Is there any differences in the pumps? Trying to decide on which one to buy.

FordManiac · Dec 20, 2017

This is the part number I’m looking at as recommended. Per the specs looks like a maximum of 1300psi.

Destroked 450 · Dec 20, 2017

I went to eBay and looked at those pumps, apparently I have made a mistake.
E6NN3K514PA is for models with hydrostatic steering and does not have a pressure relief valve.
DO NOT buy one of those pumps!
That's most likely what was put on before that caused the sector failure.

Destroked 450 · Dec 20, 2017

Ok I've rechecked info again and it appears there's some conflicting info on this pump.

They list some pumps with part number E6NN3K514PA having a pressure relief valve and others not having a relief valve.

The ones without a pressure relief valve are for 85 and newer models with hydrostatic steering.
Make sure the one you purchase has a relief valve for your older sector style steering.
Or you could take the one you have to a pump shop and have the relief valve shimmed to not over 1300 psi.

FordManiac · Jan 2, 2018

So I think I found the old pump today. The manufacture is Dynamatic Limited UK. Type is 83960261. I wonder if its shimmed as it comes up on the net showing only 1100 psi? This was the pump installed on the tractor before I bought it when the steering housing went out.

FordManiac · Jan 2, 2018

(quoted from post at 21:37:52 12/20/17)
Ok I've rechecked info again and it appears there's some conflicting info on this pump.

They list some pumps with part number E6NN3K514PA having a pressure relief valve and others not having a relief valve.

The ones without a pressure relief valve are for 85 and newer models with hydrostatic steering.
Make sure the one you purchase has a relief valve for your older sector style steering.
Or you could take the one you have to a pump shop and have the relief valve shimmed to not over 1300 psi.

Ok so is this the one you think is correct? Looks like it does have the pressure relief valve. There are several cheaper pumps on eBay also but not sure if they are cheaper made (china) etc. Check it out and let me know what you think.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Ford-NH-Power-Steering-Pump-82858430-2310-234-2610-2810-2910-3230-334-335/253125242214?hash=item3aef70ad66:g:iCUAAOSwX61ZM~pN

Sean in PA · Jan 2, 2018

A lot of those aftermarket pumps are the same, and they usually come shimmed to 1100 psi these days, even though they claim to be replacements for various different original Ford pump numbers. They can have the shims changed to have the correct psi for a number of different models, from 650 psi for the 2000/3000/2600/3600 series that have the pair of external cylinders alongside the radius rods, to 850 psi for the early 3 cylinder 4000's, to 1300 psi for some of the larger models that still had the cylinder inside the column, or left at 1100 psi for the large majority of models that use that style pump.

FordManiac · Jan 2, 2018

I've got about $2000 tied up in replacing the steering sector so i'm a little over the top about finding the correct pump pressure for my tractor. Its a 1984 5610 with cab, MWFD, and loader so somewhat of a unknown for some reason in North America. Seems these were more common in the later years but not in 84. Anyway, I was told by the repair shop that the pump was putting out to much pressure and is why the original sector burst part of its housing out. The pump they put back on offers 1100 psi but its very hard to steer even with the bucket empty so thinking / hoping the 1300 psi version is the actual pump specified for my tractor but really don't want to replace another sector.. This leaves me with the current delima i'm facing.

Destroked 450 · Jan 2, 2018

(quoted from post at 16:00:23 01/02/18)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Ford-NH-Power-Steering-Pump-82858430-2310-234-2610-2810-2910-3230-334-335/253125242214?hash=item3aef70ad66:g:iCUAAOSwX61ZM~pN

That is the correct pump for your tractor.
What is different about it and the one you have, I don't know.
Will it improve the steering on your tractor over the pump you have, again I don't know.

I understand the dilemma with your steering but can't say weather you'll see any improvement with this pump or not.

What I can say is if this pump doesn't fix the issue you may want to go back and take to them about that rebuilt sector.

FordManiac · Jan 3, 2018

He Destroked per the attached picture is the relief valve the small metal piece on the lower left side of the pump? Reason I ask is that one of the listings says no relief valve flow control only but I figured the small metal piece on the side was the spring loaded relief valve. Thoughts? Thank you

Destroked 450 · Jan 3, 2018

No thats just a vent for the tank, the relief valve is in the pump which is inside the tank.

Google partspring.com
Select ag tractors
Scroll down and select 5610
Select front axle/steering
Go to page 2 and find section 03C01 power steering pump & reservoir 5610 (2nd roll far right on my puter)
Click on the little square below more views
Item 15 is the pressure relief valve assembly
Adding or removing shim 17 changes the relief pressure
the shims are only .010 - .015 thick

FordManiac · Jan 4, 2018

(quoted from post at 16:38:38 01/03/18)
No thats just a vent for the tank, the relief valve is in the pump which is inside the tank.

Google partspring.com
Select ag tractors
Scroll down and select 5610
Select front axle/steering
Go to page 2 and find section 03C01 power steering pump & reservoir 5610 (2nd roll far right on my puter)
Click on the little square below more views
Item 15 is the pressure relief valve assembly
Adding or removing shim 17 changes the relief pressure
the shims are only .010 - .015 thick

Thanks again for all your help. I have ordered the new pump and will post back the results. Also the other pump that was on the tractor when the sector went out was a 1100 psi pump with no relief valve. It only had flow control so to your point probably caused the issue with the damaged sector.

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