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bernie in va
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I grew up on one of these new generation tractors that is still at work on our farm today. That is why I forked out over 50K for a new Deere tractor couple of years ago.
alabamafrog
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Yep, well over 20 years ago I stepped off an A and stepped onto dad’s “new” 4010D, I thought I had died and went to heaven! Still use the same 4010 and the 4020 as the primary tractors on the farm today.
Nebraska Cowman
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A clue to what? I neverhad to put up with the two cylinder era so when John Deere finaly produced something modern I wasn't all that impressed. Kinda like the kid that was "held back" in 1st grade so he would be "ahead" of his classmates.
buickanddeere
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Hasn't heard references to old Tom McCawhill for decades.
rustyfarmall
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Yep, you're right. The super M wasn't that much better than a regular ol' M. But then the super M was introduced in 1952, and about that same time was when John Deere introduced the 60, which replaced the A. What made the 60 any better than the A? A little more horsepower perhaps? At least the M had a four cylinder engine, and a foot operated clutch, and the M was introduced in 1939. It took John Deere 22 years to catch up to that technology.
buickanddeere
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Catch-up? Show me a Farmall with decent live hydraulics and a rockshaft/three point hitch.
The 60 have live pto, live hydraulics, remote hydraulic outlets, hydraulic rockshaft,power steering, six speeds etc.
Where is that great and mighty manufacture "Farmall" today? They went bust and were bought out.
How is it a foot clutch and four cylinders are an advantage in that class of tractor? I don't see M's with loaders mounted on them. They were just a drawbar tractor.
The 60 have live pto, live hydraulics, remote hydraulic outlets, hydraulic rockshaft,power steering, six speeds etc.
Where is that great and mighty manufacture "Farmall" today? They went bust and were bought out.
How is it a foot clutch and four cylinders are an advantage in that class of tractor? I don't see M's with loaders mounted on them. They were just a drawbar tractor.
Anonymous-0
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I got off my dad's 48A and stepped on a 2010. The 2010 sure handled nice with power steering and a nice three point hitch. I was a little disappointed because it didn't have that old popper sound. We had a lot of trouble with that 2010. It would struggle to pull a four disk plow in black gumbo. The A used to walk with the same plow with no problem. One day the hub on the back wheel broke and the whole wheel fell off while I was plowing. It was near the road and everyone who drove by could see me plowing around the 2010 to finish the field with the old A. My dad called the dealer and told them to come and get the 2010 and that he wouldn't need it anymore. I still have that old A.
rustyfarmall
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You need to get out more. Nearly every M I see has a loader on it.
garytomaszewski
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I'll agree, most Hs and Ms have (had) loaders, most of us didn't
have enough hands to run the clutch and loader controls in the
barn.
have enough hands to run the clutch and loader controls in the
barn.
Nebraska Cowman
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I will agree with that. When the Super M came out it should have been a state of the art tractor with 6 cylinder and integral hitch. But nobody knew that them. Most everyone thought that a 45 horsepower row crop was as big a tractor as the American farmer would ever buy.
The was also introduced in 1952. John Deere 60 had more then just a little more horse power. At least the 60 had LIVE PTO, Live hydraulic, Hot or Cold Manifold, Duplex Carburetion, Rack & pinion "quick change wheel tread, and it's still used on John Deere tractors made today" It took IH 3 more years before they had live PTO or live hydraulic technology!!!
rustyfarmall
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John Deere even "borrowed" Fords' Selectospeed transmission and called it the "powershift".
They didn't BORROW the powershift from from Ford... they hired the ENGINEER from Ford, then gave him the resources to get it done RIGHT, instead of rushing it to market unrefined, like Ford did, and many of those powershifts are sill working almost 50 years and 12,000 to 20,000 hours later!
buickddeere
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How is that possible. That's called violating patients.
Lots of bitter people out there about how Pappy's tractor company is dead and gone. Same rational is poor people thinking the wealthy got rich by stealing from them. Thing is, the poor never had any money to steal.So how does that work?
Lots of bitter people out there about how Pappy's tractor company is dead and gone. Same rational is poor people thinking the wealthy got rich by stealing from them. Thing is, the poor never had any money to steal.So how does that work?
alabamafrog
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Yall gotta quit picking on those red folks, not everyone can own a Rolls-Royce!
Poor Red people.
Reminds me of the saying on my favorite shirt;
“Friends don’t let friends drive red tractors”
Poor Red people.
Reminds me of the saying on my favorite shirt;
“Friends don’t let friends drive red tractors”
Now how did this get into name calling? I just pointed out and truthfully so that these innovations weren't JDs ideas initially (same as the 4 cylinder tractor engine). That can be looked up and confirmed. Bitterness? I can only assume you weren't talking about me. Right now I have a semi trailer of 558 Mega Wides sitting out back. The apple to watermelon analogy is beyond making sense. I have owned and operated many machines and rarely found one I didn't like some ways and others other ways. I won't revise history for narrow mindedness of color.
Well, this post isn't about other tractors and the direction that it was going was praising JD for these innovations.
If we were in the Minneapolis Moline forum I think a similar augment could be made if someone there was trying to pass of revised history. Please point out another post on this Forum where I am debunking the greatness of Deere and CO.
If we were in the Minneapolis Moline forum I think a similar augment could be made if someone there was trying to pass of revised history. Please point out another post on this Forum where I am debunking the greatness of Deere and CO.
buickddeere
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Actually that Ford engineer was kicking rocks down the road when Deere hired him.
The Ford engineer had ran afoul politically inside the Ford Family empire of that era.
This all occurred anyways after the Deere PS had been released to market.
The Ford engineer had ran afoul politically inside the Ford Family empire of that era.
This all occurred anyways after the Deere PS had been released to market.
Seems to me the first rear rock shaft was a Farmall, not Ford or Deere. Ferguson took the IH rock shaft and made the 3-point hitch. Those old Deeres (A and B through the 420 etc.) were somewhat uncomfortable to operate with the straight steering wheel. You have to say that in modern times, (Since DR. James Ruff went to JD in the mid 70's), that JD has vastly improved ergonomics.
Dad's M never had much power until the M&W kit went in. Could'nt steer it until the after market power steering was installed. It took 5 gallons of gas to start it & move it out of the barn, if it would start with a 12 volt jumper battery. My John Deere 60 is a twice the tractor that M was. The M rots away in my brother's barn. Oh Boy, foot clutch!!! Needed one leg a foot longer than the other to operate that. IH was loosing the battle in the post war years. John Deere turned on the "after burners" in 1960 & never looked back!!!
730 virgil
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my dad always said grandpa's case sc was twice the tractor as his farmlittle h
Rumplestiltskin
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Interesting reading, but it appears to have been a paid advertisement rather than an objective article. Still a good conversation starter, though. Thanks for posting it.
Mark W. in MI
Mark W. in MI
garytomaszewski
Member
Not only rockshaft but hydraulic powered too.
They bought hayrakes and skidsteers off New Holland. Once the patents ran out they changed the design a bit and started building there own. Not that a deere rake is half the rake a New Holland is. Their planters are Kinzes. Their rubber ag track indercarriages are copied off Cat. Need I go on?
buickddeere
Member
Somebody else all cranky that deere is alive and well when pappy's tractor company went bust.
Talk and slander is cheap. Lawsuits are not and that's what Deere would be facing if they did steal ideas.
Cat had better sue Tonka for rubber treads on kids toys if that was the situation.
Talk and slander is cheap. Lawsuits are not and that's what Deere would be facing if they did steal ideas.
Cat had better sue Tonka for rubber treads on kids toys if that was the situation.
I have found that If one can't argue the facts name calling is a popular option of some.
I don't have a fight with JD. They mostly make a good product. Outside of a self scouring plow though the company did ride the backs of others inventions either by buying, copying or hiring. Many ideas were improved but really very few fresh ideas were formulated. Read and become knowledgeable of your arguments. It is easy to do. A little homework is all it takes.
I don't have a fight with JD. They mostly make a good product. Outside of a self scouring plow though the company did ride the backs of others inventions either by buying, copying or hiring. Many ideas were improved but really very few fresh ideas were formulated. Read and become knowledgeable of your arguments. It is easy to do. A little homework is all it takes.
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