I don't understand this

Caryc

Well-known Member
How is it that someone can come down on somebody for trying to emphasize safety? I'd hate to work with or around anyone that doesn't think safety is the number one priority. They may get themself or myself hurt.

You all are free to think about safety or not think about it. Some people don't think about it and wind up with problems. It's too late for them.
 
If safety is your main goal, divest your self of tractors, vehicles and all sharp, pointy things... Be SURE, above ALL, you don't DO anything.

Perhaps MODERATION IN ALL things is a better answer... Don't be THAT GUY who can stand around for hours talking about all the bad things that might happen.

Oh, and no Hobby Farming for you either. Not safe, you know.
 
(quoted from post at 13:02:46 07/15/18) If safety is your main goal, divest your self of tractors, vehicles and all sharp, pointy things... Be SURE, above ALL, you don't DO anything.

Perhaps MODERATION IN ALL things is a better answer... Don't be THAT GUY who can stand around for hours talking about all the bad things that might happen.

Oh, and no Hobby Farming for you either. Not safe, you know.

What a stupid answer. We all know that tractors can be inherently dangerous to stupid people. I'm talking about people who can be safe but don't care to do so. I think we've all known guys who just take too many chances. Just the way you mockingly answer my post makes me think you might be one of them. If you don't think about safety when you climb onto a tractor, you don't belong on one.

You've never heard of people flipping a tractor over backwards or people that have rolled a tractor over on a hill side? Most people would say they were stupid but what it really boils down to is that they weren't thinking about safety.

Safety shouldn't be something you have to force yourself to think about. For people with common sense, it should come naturally.
 
Even though this film (yootoob link) is decades old, my employer had us watch it when I first hired in as part of a three-day product operation training class. PPE has saved me several times from badly injuring myself. Not keeping my head in what I was doing (safety-wise) almost cost me a hand once (corn picker).

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(quoted from post at 11:34:05 07/15/18) How is it that someone can come down on somebody for trying to emphasize safety? I'd hate to work with or around anyone that doesn't think safety is the number one priority. They may get themself or myself hurt.

You all are free to think about safety or not think about it. Some people don't think about it and wind up with problems. It's too late for them.

PPE is good and I agree about using it when every it is needed, but I also do not like people who make personal attacks on here. point out your point of view and leave it. No need to continue on about it.
 
(quoted from post at 14:33:23 07/15/18)
(quoted from post at 11:34:05 07/15/18) [color=red:1dc031db2e][b:1dc031db2e]How is it that someone can come down on somebody for trying to emphasize safety? I'd hate to work with or around anyone that doesn't think safety is the number one priority. They may get themself or myself hurt.

You all are free to think about safety or not think about it. Some people don't think about it and wind up with problems. It's too late for them.[/b:1dc031db2e][/color:1dc031db2e]

PPE is good and I agree about using it when every it is needed, but I also do not like people who make personal attacks on here. point out your point of view and leave it. No need to continue on about it.

You actually think the above in red is a personal attack on someone?
 
(quoted from post at 17:53:40 07/15/18)
(quoted from post at 14:33:23 07/15/18)
(quoted from post at 11:34:05 07/15/18) [color=red:9110161b68][b:9110161b68]How is it that someone can come down on somebody for trying to emphasize safety? I'd hate to work with or around anyone that doesn't think safety is the number one priority. They may get themself or myself hurt.

You all are free to think about safety or not think about it. Some people don't think about it and wind up with problems. It's too late for them.[/b:9110161b68][/color:9110161b68]

PPE is good and I agree about using it when every it is needed, but I also do not like people who make personal attacks on here. point out your point of view and leave it. No need to continue on about it.

You actually think the above in red is a personal attack on someone?

As Mr. Geiger says I think your problems arise from your style not your content. Combative and argumentative posts (e.g. the one to which I am responding) engender the same.

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 15:53:40 07/15/18)
(quoted from post at 14:33:23 07/15/18)
(quoted from post at 11:34:05 07/15/18) [color=red:f31dfe6b22][b:f31dfe6b22]How is it that someone can come down on somebody for trying to emphasize safety? I'd hate to work with or around anyone that doesn't think safety is the number one priority. They may get themself or myself hurt.

You all are free to think about safety or not think about it. Some people don't think about it and wind up with problems. It's too late for them.[/b:f31dfe6b22][/color:f31dfe6b22]

PPE is good and I agree about using it when every it is needed, but I also do not like people who make personal attacks on here. point out your point of view and leave it. No need to continue on about it.

You actually think the above in red is a personal attack on someone?

I think this was"What a stupid answer."
 

So, Geiger, what did you think about duey's answer to me? I guess to you, that was ok. That wasn't an attack on me was it?

But just saying "What a stupid answer" was a personal attack?
 
nO it was not, I thought It was a pretty sane comment. I think you are too sensitive about what people post. let it go.
 
(quoted from post at 15:23:53 07/15/18) nO it was not, I thought It was a pretty sane comment. I think you are too sensitive about what people post. let it go.

OK, evidently safety is a sore subject here. Some people don't like being reminded of it. I really don't care if they think about safety or not. I don't know them so I really don't care what happens to them.
 
CarryC
We all think about safety.
Most of us are getting old and still have
all our fingers and toes. We didn't get here
by being careless.
But we may not practice YOUR brand of
safety. We practice our own brand and it's
got us here just as well as your brand has
gotten you here.
In your last reply to me you imply that I am
dumb because I don't see things your way.
But you know I'm not dumb.
You're not dumb either.
Let people do things the way they want to do
it.
Do your things your way.
You didn't need to bring this topic up again
yesterday. It did no one any good.
And no I don't think Duey attacked YOU with
his sarcasm.
He attacked this post and said what others
surely thought which is crimony: Can't you
just let it go?
 
(quoted from post at 16:16:24 07/15/18) CarryC
We all think about safety.
Most of us are getting old and still have
all our fingers and toes. We didn't get here
by being careless.
But we may not practice YOUR brand of
safety. We practice our own brand and it's
got us here just as well as your brand has
gotten you here.
In your last reply to me you imply that I am
dumb because I don't see things your way.
But you know I'm not dumb.
You're not dumb either.
Let people do things the way they want to do
it.
Do your things your way.
You didn't need to bring this topic up again
yesterday. It did no one any good.
And no I don't think Duey attacked YOU with
his sarcasm.
He attacked this post and said what others
surely thought which is crimony: Can't you
just let it go?

Ok, safety is off my list of subjects now. By the way, I would have an ROPS on both my tractors if I could afford them. Although I only use my tractors on my property so there's no real roll over danger there, so the money is better used on different things.
 
Im playing the devil's advocate here...
It's a fact that rops makes tractor driving
safer but you choose not to buy them - for
perfectly valid reasons in my opinion =
cost.
But...
You are weighing the odds of a rollover
and making a choice to drive them "unsafely"
Not unlike the guy with the anvil chose not
to wear glasses - for reasons that seemed
valid to Him.
Does that make you like him?
There are many who would mandate ROPS. Make
it a law that you must have it or quit using
your tractors and the cost will not be an
excuse to the bureaucrats who enforce it.
If/when it becomes a mandate what what
choice will you make then?
Hopefully you can see I do not reject
working safely but do reject other people's
notions of HOW safely I should work.
 
(quoted from post at 21:22:30 07/15/18) Im playing the devil's advocate here...
It's a fact that rops makes tractor driving
safer but you choose not to buy them - for
perfectly valid reasons in my opinion =
cost.
But...
You are weighing the odds of a rollover
and making a choice to drive them "unsafely"
Not unlike the guy with the anvil chose not
to wear glasses - for reasons that seemed
valid to Him.
Does that make you like him?
There are many who would mandate ROPS. Make
it a law that you must have it or quit using
your tractors and the cost will not be an
excuse to the bureaucrats who enforce it.
If/when it becomes a mandate what what
choice will you make then?
Hopefully you can see I do not reject
working safely but do reject other people's
notions of HOW safely I should work.

Remember, folks - Safety Forced!
 
(quoted from post at 17:22:30 07/15/18) Im playing the devil's advocate here...
It's a fact that rops makes tractor driving
safer but you choose not to buy them - for
perfectly valid reasons in my opinion =
cost.
But...
You are weighing the odds of a rollover
and making a choice to drive them "unsafely"
Not unlike the guy with the anvil chose not
to wear glasses - for reasons that seemed
valid to Him.
Does that make you like him?
There are many who would mandate ROPS. Make
it a law that you must have it or quit using
your tractors and the cost will not be an
excuse to the bureaucrats who enforce it.
If/when it becomes a mandate what what
choice will you make then?
Hopefully you can see I do not reject
working safely but do reject other people's
notions of HOW safely I should work.

What valid reason did that guy have for not wearing safety glasses after the incident. Safety glasses are very cheap.

I actually don't think my tractors are unsafe without the ROPS on them. I don't think they are unsafe for "what I do with them". They both have heavy Davis front loaders on them. So I don't worry too much about a backwards flip.

I really don't care whether you choose to work safely or not. That's totally up to you. I think this whole thing started when I told the story of the blacksmith nearly getting a hop piece of steal in his eye. Then he went right back to the job again without safety glasses.

Whether you or anybody else likes it or not, I think that guy was stupid. Would you have done the same thing?

By the way, I said nothing about how you personally should work. I can understand some of what you said above so let's let this thing go.
 
You hit the nail on the head! If you are indeed safety minded, you can buy Rops if you can afford two tractors?
 
(quoted from post at 18:01:10 07/15/18) You hit the nail on the head! If you are indeed safety minded, you can buy Rops if you can afford two tractors?

How do you know what my income is? How do you know I have the money to buy a ROPS? I guess you're just making one of those random statements that you have no way of backing up. Tell me how much money I have in the bank. Come on, back up your statement.
 
(quoted from post at 18:01:10 07/15/18) You hit the nail on the head! If you are indeed safety minded, you can buy Rops if you can afford two tractors?

My newest car is 15 years old. Maybe I should run out and buy a new one too.
 
(quoted from post at 19:28:35 07/15/18)
(quoted from post at 18:01:10 07/15/18) You hit the nail on the head! If you are indeed safety minded, you can buy Rops if you can afford two tractors?

My newest car is 15 years old. Maybe I should run out and buy a new one too.

You really should check your blood pressure, you might live longer.
 
(quoted from post at 19:38:13 07/15/18)
(quoted from post at 19:28:35 07/15/18)
(quoted from post at 18:01:10 07/15/18) You hit the nail on the head! If you are indeed safety minded, you can buy Rops if you can afford two tractors?

My newest car is 15 years old. Maybe I should run out and buy a new one too.

You really should check your blood pressure, you might live longer.

Very funny, but I don't think so. I have bone marrow cancer.

All right enough. I'm done with this.
 
You know you really sound like a California nnalert... Perhaps passing some more rules and laws will vindicate you. TSK... TSK... You shouldn't get so excited about somebody else's opinion... Thanks for sharing yours.
 
Here where I grew up, every male member of the family around
the corner, save one, was missing at least one finger.
Some missing three or more and one missing part of his arm.
All due to trying to unplug a corn picker while it was running.

The one guy who was not missing a finger got his whole arm
caught in the same machine doing the same thing but his arm
was big enough to cause the slip clutch to slip and stop the
machine. He was still badly injured. He survived.

History not remembered is bound to be repeated.

My first boss harped at me continuosly about not turning the
tractor too short when I was hauling a drag. Warned me
repeatedly about how the chains could hook the tractor tire,
haul it up over the top of the tractor and take my head off.
He died by doing exactly that to himself several years later.

Some times we get complacent, other times we get over protective.
Either way, I see no reason for personal attacks on either side.
Humankind. Be both. :)
 
Yep, my first factory job at 17, the foreman was missing several fingers. We all called him Lefty. Lost them when he put his hand into a spinning part on an engine lathe and it caught his ring. I vowed to never have that happen to me but I never wore any jewelry anyway. FWIW: Prior to the N three point lift, tractors were started via a hand crank. Many folks ended up with broken arms when they would kick back and if you were in the way, well, no work for you for 8 weeks. The vintage Fordsons and other brands too would flip over backwards when an obstruction was encountered with the plow. This was another reason Ferguson's team invented the 3-Pt. draft control system. N's were designed with a low center of gravity. Unless abused, rollovers are rare. No need to add an ROPS otherwise. I've heard of states, probably Kalifornia, Washington, and Oregon, mandating ROPS be installed on any vintage tractor purchased too. I have not conformed this so don't write me letters. Now, todays litigation happy society has deemed it necessary for lawyers to make it law every new tractor has a ROPS and possibly a safety belt and auto-shutoff device so if operator evacuates the seat, the engine shuts down. Accidents, fatal or not, occur because people fail to understand the mechanics of the machine in operation. Operator Manuals give some safety do's and don'ts and the rest is suppose to be common sense. Many were absent the day that chapter was covered, or are arrogant enough to know better but eschew all caution anyway. Now that SEARS and K-MART stores are all but extinct, one cannot buy common sense nor elbow grease any longer...
; > ) - GRIN.

Tim Daley(MI)
 
Speaking of safety, I?m surprised that w/ all the Vets around here no one has mentioned the military. No, I don?t mean combat situations; that was inherently unsafe 24/7. NVA mortars and rockets could reach out and touch you from far away. No body armor 50 years ago when you were in the boonies either. But I can tell you from personal experience, the Army was extremely safety conscious back in the day. I was in Special Forces. We routinely fired small arms, mortars, tossed grenades and practiced w/ demolitions. And trained in -10F conditions. And jumped out of airplanes, day and night. Every time we went to the range or before a jump, you got a safety briefing. As one example??.Army Jumpmaster school is three weeks long. One week of technical stuff, one week of practice jumps??.and one week of ?JMPI?: Jump Master Personnel Inspection. That?s an entire week of how to safely put a parachute on. Our final exam was 3 fully rigged soldiers. You had 3 minutes to inspect them. Miss a major gig, you flunked the course. If you ever watched the YouTube videos of Army jumps, you will see two men standing by each door of the aircraft. The guy hanging out the door looking for the DZ markers and giving the jump commands is the Jumpmaster. The other guy is the Safety.

But despite all of that and more to the point of this discussion??.Royse got it right: ? I see no reason for personal attacks on either side. Humankind.?
 
ROPS.... totally worthless.... unless the operator wears the SEAT BELT..

Truly, the safest operator understands his 'machine' and **assumes command** of its operation... whether it is a screwdriver, a tablesaw or a tractor. The operator holds sole responsibility.
 
I took a friend over to see a farmer who also sawed logs. He had a 40" wheel type saw that I called the Snidely Whiplash saw. Anyway my buddy stood watching with his mouth open as the farmer ran some logs through as chips are flying everywhere and commented "OSHA would run out of tickets if they ever visited here" to which my farmer friend said "Why, the worst it'll do is kill me".
He operated that saw for over fifty years and died at 85 with all parts attached.

Your tablesaw reference reminded me of my rule after I drink a beer. The only tool I pick up is a broom.
 
Truly, the safest operator understands his 'machine' and **assumes command** of its operation... whether it is a screwdriver, a tablesaw or a tractor. The operator holds sole responsibility.
This.

My dad was a safety engineer with DuPont. At the time the "safest company in the world." He was always harping on me about safety - a lot of it stuck.

Safety is relative. Calculated risks. I used to race motorcycles. Inherently unsafe. Had I not been wearing protective gear I would have died a number of times.

Safety also has limits. One very unsafe habit? Stepping into/out of a wet bathtub. I've slipped a few times in the past, once hitting my head on a towel bar so hard I saw stars. Fortunately I had decent reflexes that allowed me to catch myself before doing any real damage. Real safety dictates wearing a helmet in the shower....

The point? To each their own. Be as safe as deemed necessary for the situation.
 
You started this post only looking for an argument, spring loaded in the p$%@ off position.
nothing else.
 

CaryC, if not having enough money for a ROPS makes it OK to be without one, it is OK for every business in the world to not spend money on safety equipment that they should have. By admitting to using a tractor without ROPS you are admitting to disregarding safety.
 

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