Diesel fuel for newer Tractor

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wolfman

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• Sep 4, 2011

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Will the off-road diesel fuel I'm using in my 60s and 70s and 80s tractors work ok in a 2010 tractor? I think that I read somewhere the newer ones needed special fuel.

 

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Anonymous-0

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• Sep 4, 2011

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Only problems are in older tractors, with rotary injector pumps, they need some lube, occasionally, add some 2 stroke oil to the tank, about a quart to 50 gallons, or so.

 

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ohiojim

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• Sep 4, 2011

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lot of newer tractors call for low sulfer,..my l3400 kubota says low sulfer but i've been running off road seems to work fine

 

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farmer boy

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• Sep 4, 2011

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I'd think that most off road diesel fuel you can buy will be low sulfur. On road is likely ultra low sulfur. The low sulfur is more likely to be a problem with your older tractors than your newer one.

 

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Paul in MN

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• Sep 4, 2011

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The currently delivered farm fuel is now low sulfur just like the road fuel. The difference is the red dye and the exemption from fed road tax. Do not use the red fuel in your diesel PU or other road truck, as the fines quickly go into the 1,000's of $$$$.

My son was driving his Ford diesel PU and came to a stop sign at 2 kind of major rural highways. Immediately one state officer stepped in front of the vehicle and then to the driver's door and asked for his license. Meanwhile the 2nd officer had gone around the back of the truck, opened the fuel filler cap and dipped the tank with a long wire with a piece of white fliter paper on the end of it. Of course the whole thing was to stop every diesel truck and dip the tank to see if there was a hint of red fuel. His fuel was clear.

Paul in MN

 

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charles todd

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• Sep 4, 2011

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I'd had the State Police in a sling! There was no probable cause to stop him for a fuel check. Not saying it is ok to run red diesel, but that was not a legit check... I could be wrong. I always thought police have to have probable cause.

CT

 

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Paul in MN

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• Sep 4, 2011

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Sure enough it happened just as I described, about 2 years ago in South Central MN. Maybe they thought the probable cause was the fact that his truck had the Powerstroke emblem on the side of the fender.

They are also known for dip testing the fuel tanks of parked PU's at farm auctions while the crowd is attending to the auction. It is all about generating revenue! It sure makes a mockery of the phrase posted on the side of many police cars "To protect and serve!" They should be honest and add the phrase "And to generate revenue for local government". Sorry about my bad attitude.

Paul in MN

 

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Will- Tx.-Mn.

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• Sep 4, 2011

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Paul, you don't have a bad attitude,and therefore you have nothing to apologize for... everyone feels as you do when we are stolen from and so do I.

~Will

 

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gene bender

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• Sep 5, 2011

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Check your state laws they probably have the right for that check. The red dye will leave a tint even if you have replaced with legal fuel after using the red dye.

 

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Tom-NorthCenTX

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• Sep 5, 2011

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AT our local wholesaler (Chevron) there is one delivery truck from the refineries. The wholesaler has s2 tanks filled, adds red dye to one tank. Sells tax free off road red dyed diesel, and sells regular taxed on road. Both fuels are exactly the same diesel. I add one quart of Lucas semi-sythetic 2-cycle oil per 50 gallons of red diesel for my old tractors. Tom

 

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Ryan - WI

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• Sep 5, 2011

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(quoted from post at 23:55:23 09/04/11) Paul, you don't have a bad attitude,and therefore you have nothing to apologize for... everyone feels as you do when we are stolen from and so do I.

~Will

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If a person is using the roads without paying the fuel taxes that help in their upkeep are they not stealing from the rest of society by not paying their share?

 

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Dean

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• Sep 5, 2011

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In general police must have probable cause to detain (stop) someone but there are exceptions, e.g., announced DUI checkpoints where everyone is stopped.

I expect that the law is unsettled in this regard but a similar dyed-fuel checkpoint where everyone, perhaps only all diesel vehicles, are tested would most likely be found constitutional.

Dean

 

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greenbeanman in Kansas

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• Sep 5, 2011

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I often see notices in the newspaper announcing that a checkpoint of some kind will be set up at such and such a location between certain hours.

Still-----DUI arrests are made at these all of the time. Guess if you are going to drink and drive you should also learn to read.

I'm thinking that motor carrier inspection rules are different in that they can pull surprise checks for overload weights with portable scales, fuel inspections, etc. Maybe someone else will know for sure. Here state trooper are those inspectors too.

 

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Bob Bancroft

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Aurora NY

• Sep 5, 2011

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Being concerned about the lack of lubrication in the fuel now- just a week ago today I went and picked up 100 gal. of pure(99%) "biodiesel".
Mixed first tank full on tractor at 10%, next tank at 15%. I've gone through about 200 gal. of mixed fuel without issue.
I saw a study where even a 2% mix of this stuff was far and away the best lubrication available. It's priced the same as diesel fuel.
I've only used it in one machine so far(CaseIH 7240). I just filled the backhoe with it(Ford 655A) but have only run it a little. I have my supply tanks all mixed now so everything is going to get it.
The dealer where I got it is new to me. I think they are mixing it at 20%. I don't know how they came up with that.

 

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Foghorn Leghorn

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• Sep 5, 2011

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Are you not aware that for the last decade they have been collecting fuel tax here in Wisconsin for fixing and building roads, but have been spending that money on other things instead? Who is really stealing from whom here?

 

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Fritz Maurer

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• Sep 5, 2011

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If a President puts a $.34 tax on road fuel, is
that stealing from society? And another President
makes a deal to buy oil from S. America, while our
oil rigs lie idle, is that stealing from society? If
those guys run red fuel on the road and get away
with it, may God bless them.

 

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Anonymous-0

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• Sep 5, 2011

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I always put clear dsl. in my pickup but in regard to tractors burning dyed fuel on the road farmland taxes are payed to the center of the road so tax revenue is being generated from the non productive ditch and road bed so I don't feel anyone is to quote "stealing from society"

 

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Anonymous-0

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• Sep 5, 2011

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State dot can stop you at any time without probable cause. All they have to say its a spot inspection. At that time they can check everything. If you refuse to let them inspect they can impound the vehicle.As for farm sales they could dip tanks parked along road but not the ones parked on private property.

 

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Ryan - WI

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• Sep 5, 2011

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(quoted from post at 09:14:33 09/05/11) If a President puts a $.34 tax on road fuel, is
that stealing from society? And another President
makes a deal to buy oil from S. America, while our
oil rigs lie idle, is that stealing from society? If
those guys run red fuel on the road and get away
with it, may God bless them.

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Bottom line: Like it or not taxes pay for stuff. You could definitely make an argument that in some cases (and not that many actually) money is wasted unnecessarily. I know lots and lots of people who bemoan taxes but yet complain about the state of roads, the response time of emergency personnel and the lack of the government to stimulate the economy. All of those thigns are done with tax dollars. You cannot have it both ways. No taxes (or in this case cheating to get out of taxes) leads to less services just like less money in the checkbook leads to less groceries.

Many people identify wasteful spending based upon what affects them. For example, a farmer sees the WIC program as a waste of money while the single mother sees farm subsidies as a waste of money. Regardless of how you feel taxes of one kind or another pay for both.

I find your last statement particularly ironic in that I read in some really old book one time that this guy named Jesus when asked about taxes replied "pay unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, pay unto God that which is God's" Mathew 22:21. Ironically though many people choose to pay unto neither.