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OT: Original 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 429

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I have always been a mustang fan. Had 3 whan I was in Highschool and still have a 1967 convertible.
Found this, but it's a liitle rich for my blood:
1969 Mustang Boss 429, with 2219 miles on it. Only 858 were built during the car’s two-year production run, and now it could be yours. Factory HP was 375 for insurance purposes, real HP was over 500. Certified 10.5 seconds in the quarter mile which is faster than a Corvette ZR1 at 11.1 seconds. Starting Bid is $185000. Good Luck
Boss 429
 
Wow what the prices are now... Had a 67 GTO (Goat as they were called back then)in High School..

Wasn't everybody pushing 400 + horses at the time and wasn't gas about 38 Cents a gallon..

Now a Ford F-150 farm truck.
 
That Mustang is a long way from original. It may run a 10-second quarter mile now but in '69 it would have been more like 13+.
 
yup, we drive an ol' ford ranger now too but i just couldn't part with my old '69 Boss 302 and glad i kept it all these years.... son will most likely inheret it some day. Ford Blue Blood!
 
I had that 429 engine in a 1972 Ford LTD. When the AC was on, it didn't seem to phase that engine. I ran it to SC to take my late MIL when she spent the Winter in FL. Her grandson would pick her up in SC. In the Spring had to go back to get her when she came North. Hal
 
Guys, That is a might pricy! But on an episode or 2 of "Stacy Davids" "Gears" on Speed Channel they showed how to build a Boss 429, there is a company that is building the Boss parts, just use a 460 long block,and everything else bolts on. Don't remember the total cost to build one. Go to (stacydavid.com).
Later,
John A.
 
Some years back, at a car show,in Lake George NY I saw a mustang GT500 that had 98 miles on it, it was stolen off a lot or from a dealer, and for some reason completely disassembled, someone ended up with it and put it back together, it looked 100% factory and new. They did not drive this one, it was hauled in an enclosed trailer.
 
Back then i was a Ford tech at a larger Ford dealership and i was the one working on the performance cars along with the two drag car we ran , one Mustang with a 428 S / CJ and a Torenio (sp)with a 428 /CJ in it . Both had the drag pac set up with the 4.30 Detroit lockers and 4 speed . We were also a Shelby dealer ship for the over priced fancy mustang . spent a lot of time going to special performance training and working with the performance engineers building engines up and testing them. spent two weeks learning all about the boss 429 ahead of it being delivered to the dealership . When it arrived at our dealership it came into my area to be checked out and set up . I did the whole set up with adjusting valves setting the dist. and carb , checking fluid levels and all that was on the check in sheet. Then it was time for a TEST DRIVE . I walked over to the service managers office and told Al that we should take it out for a LITTLE SPIN . So off we go down to our TEST track , Ohio route 11 , a new fourlane that only goes five miles I was behind the wheel as we came down the ramp and got it straight when i punched it in first waiting for this monster to turn loose barely broke the tire loose and hardly a squawk out of second and nothing in third . al and i looked at each other as if to say is this all that this thing has got . Vary disappointing . Called it the leading big man on the bosses to come down and see what he though and after his test drive he tells us that oh yea it is fine for street use . The 428 s/cj had three times what it had due to the lack of cam from the factory .
 
Bingo.

There were NO 11 or 12 second showroom stock muscle cars built in the 60s or 70s and only a few would get below 13.5.

Dean
 
Some of the late 1960s/early 70s muscle cars were rated over 400 HP but these ratings were SAE gross and in no way comparable to todays ratings.

Todays high performance cars produce MUCH more HP.

Dean
 
I had a match race (street) with a 68 (69?) Boss 428 SCJ mustang in (I believe) 1969 and won three out of three times.

The Mustang was equipped with 4:30 (4:33?) Detroit locker, C6 and headers, while I was driving a 1964 Impala SS (big car) with 327 small block (obviously non stock) with Muncie four speed. We both ran through the mufflers that night, but I'm sure that the result would have been even more one sided had we run with open headers.

The outcome was never really in doubt to me but the Mustang owner was both stunned and POed.

Dean
 
Must have been a pretty poor running 428 them. as we had none in the Drag club that was running over a 13.40 quarter and the two cars we ran were getting into the high 12's . From the first Ford i owned i never had a Cheve take me . Even the rich kid in highschool that had a brand new Cheve Impala with the 409 dual quad and four gear went down to my 61 390 Ford with tri power as it was a 11.56 best quarter mile time car. we had some really fast cars over here in my neck of the woods back then. I built some mean 289 Mustangs that could give Roadrunners and super bee's a real rough way to go .
 
Oh but there were Stock 440 six pac Roadrunners and Superbee's stock 426 hemi Roadrunners and Super Bee's , If they were set up the way they were suppose to be set and i am not talking about what the tag on the rad support said but what the behind the closed door tuning sessions said they would plum fly wright off the show room floor.
 
428SCJ and Boss 429 were two different engines... 428 was a variant in the FE series, Boss 429 was part of the newer '385' series. 428 SCJ was called "Fastest running stock known to man" by Car and Driver. 428 was available in Mustangs from mid '68 through '70. Boss 429 was only available in '69 and '70, though a wedge-head version was also available in '71 (in Mustangs - more years in other models). Not real surprising the Boss lost. The Boss-9 was strangled in stock, street form due to a small carb and mild cam. With a bigger carb and aggressive cam, 500 h.p. would easily be attainable.
 
And oh BTW my 1971 Duster 340 with a 727 slush box was a 13.32 car wright off the truck and my 68 Plymouth road runner was a 13.45 car STOCK off the show room floor
 
I saw some Ford trucks that had the 429 on their hoods. It was the only car that I had owned that had 15.25 charging volts. I had the service manual and it had it in there too. I was using a Wards battery that had a lifetime warranty and if it failed they complained about the charging voltage. I had to show them the service manual. I should've had that car when I pulled a mobile home from Ft Bragg NC to MD in 1955. Hal
 
My memory is a little beat-up but it seems like the Car&Driver?? road test had a new, bone-stock '69-1/2 440+6 RoadRunner with a 4-speed and Ronnie Sox behind the wheel, turning something like 12.9, making it the fastest Chrysler they tested, and second only to a top of the line 427 'Vette??? I owned a LOT of Mopars in the good old days, a '68 440 4-speed GTX and a '71 440+6 4-speed RoadRunner were a couple of my favorites. The GTX had tall gears and was really quick, the '71 six barrel was geared deeper and did not like coming off the line but it was an animal out on the open road!
 
I have some 429 blocks around here that came out of xl 500 ,and 69-71 MarQuis ,,Does anyone know what they are worth
 
In the add it keeps saying all original.Looks to be very little original,esp.if it did run a 10.5.Would have to be a lot of mods to a stick car to do that,also the 118 doesn't really jive with a 10.5 time,should be closer to 128 with that et.My drag car runs low 10.90's@122.
 
You make a good point. Ad maybe inflated a bit to attact buyers. To say it's stock is wrong too, as it was shipped off to Tasca Ford in Providence, RI, for conversion into a drag racer. It dosen't say what they did to it.
 
My first cousin, now deceased, had a 69 hemi Cuda with torque flight as well as (concurrently) a 70 Dodge Challenger 440 six pack convertible with 4 speed and a 32 Ford with 671 blown 454 and TH400. He did a lot of drag racing in the day on both street and strip.

According to him, the six pack would beat the hemi on the street any day of the week but neither would break into the 12s on the strip in showroom stock form, which includes OEM tires.

Dean
 
This is a very special car,and not every Boss 429 is a “Tasca Super Boss”.
If the name “Tasca” sounds familiar, it should, as they are a Ford family heavily steeped in drag racing tradition. Bob “The Big Bopper” Tasca, coined the term, “Win on Sunday, sell on Monday.”
Throughout the ’60s, Tasca Ford and the Blue Oval Battalion, from the Ford Battalion MI. plant collaborated on a number of high performance projects. On any given day you could find enough Boss 302 and Boss 429 Mustangs, Fairlanes, Torinos, and Shelby GT350 and GT500 Mustangs assembled in one place to put the average present-day Ford muscle car enthusiast show to shame.

In 1969, Tasca began concentrating on Ford’s Boss 429 Mustang project (the “Tasca Super Boss”). Tasca Ford campaigned the Super Boss throughout the Boss 429 production run, from 1969-70. Horsepower was only stated as being well over 500 Hp.
 
Yea they would on the G70 15 Good for a year's once ya figured out how to make hook . A buddy of mine picked up his new Super Bee on Saturday morning from Sam Brown Dodge , and Sunday it was on the track at Quaker City Drag strip turning mid 11 by the forth pass . Nothing to it just a tweek to the dist. a little snip here and a little snip there add a few lbs to the tires and even lift the left ft tire coming off the line .
 
I must disagree.

The topic has been investigated many times and it is well documented that there were NO showroom stock 12 second muscle cars.

Showroom stock means showroom stock.

Dean
 
My guess is that your Duster was exceptional, and ordered with gears a lot steeper than the standard 3.23's. Most Duster 340/autos ran in the mid-14's in street trim.

Fun to reminisce!
 
Do I believe a 327 Impala would out drag a 428 cj. No It wouldn"t out drag a 225 hp 289 Mustang let alone a 271 hp 289. My brothers-in-laws and I had a lot of muscle cars in our day, and I remember the old adage Nobody ever loses a Street Race! Vic
 
Yes I had a 66 Dodge dart 4 speed with a 273 Hi-Po engine rated at I think 235 hp. It would turn 7000 rpm. I traded it for a 68 Road-Runner 383 Auto it sounded good and looked good but wasn't the runner the Dart was. Vic
 
The 1964 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt was reported to do mid 11's seconds and 120+ mph out of the showroom. Hard to say if anything happened to it on the way to the track at this point though...
 
As I said, it was not stock.

Obviously, you have no idea just what I had done to the 327 or the Impala.

That said, you are welcome to believe what you choose to believe.

Dean
 
Your opinion there I liked mine just fine and it did what i wanted it to do when i wanted it to . The only problem was the clutch as like everybody else did due to faulty eye bolts . Other then that loved the handling loved the fuel mileage . Did a lot better them dad's 68 Impala did on mileage on the same trip and did it lets say a lot faster. Just never could bing myself to buy a Chevy . as i had never met a Chevy that could beat me . guess that is why there were somany Road Runners and Super Bee's around here . Of all the cars i have had that could get out of there own shadow i wish i still had the Road Runner .
 
Buddy had one of the 273 H/P's and it ran well for all it was. I do know that a 383 set to the little tag on the Rad support was a DOG , but if you sorta shell we say tweaked it just a little and made just a couple of changes to the dist. and tweaked the carb it would come to life . They would not turn the RPM as the 273 because the 273 H/P had a solid lifter cam where the Chicken had a hyd. cam and the lifters would pump up at around 5400-5800 and float the valves. That was done to keep them together . Mine would do a little better then the 5400-5800 because i had a few parts in mine that were shell we say under warranty from the factory by my Parts and service Rep to see how they would work out as he always told me when he brought something new down with him. Just loved the Road Runner . When i left being a wrench i went to become a parts manager in the summer of 1970 and Bob talked me into buying this Sassy Grass green Duster that they had been testing . It was a 1971 340 Duster , yea it was a little quicker then the Road Runner and it would do everything the speedometer said it would do IF you had the nerve to hold it down . It handled well but i just never warmed up to the Duster.
 
i also enjoy my old cars, glad to see others have them too,,,but as to your commit about $185k, too rich for your blood,[my also],you can thank those turkeys at barrett-jackson, thinking their muscle car is worth gold when selling..mecum auctions aren't as bad, but still pricey too,,,,.
 
I had a few friends that had the Mustang GT.
My best man had a 1988 his brother had a 1985, what fun and the memories.....It makes me feel old. Early 1990s and ripping up the road with gas at $1.20 per gallon.
And one friend had the 1995 Mustang Cobra #668, with the 5.0 super fast, oversized cam, the tires were $400 each. Well...Now back to reality.
 
11s on stock tires and pulling the wheel off the ground? I would have to see it to believe it. On a stock full weight car....no way. And the other fellow said he never met a chevy that he couldn't beat didn't look to hard.
 
I have been reading these posts and must agree with you, Dean. There are a lot of people who have no idea what it takes to build a quick [not fast, but quick] street legal car. I have a 1967 Plymouth with a 383 that has very little resemblance to its original form. It runs as well as my checkbook will allow. It seems to me that the older some people get, the faster their cars were. BT
 
Nope 3.23 gears in it sure grip and if any of ya have a copy of hot rod mag. the sept issue 1970 that is the car i owned . Ya can read all about it . When i got that car it had 857 miles on it and bald set of E70 x14 Good for a year custom power cushion polyglass tires on it when it came off the truck. Put a brand new set on it and at the same time i had the Goodyear store mount up a set of H 70x14 studded snow tires on a set of plain black rims and put the rear styled steel wheels in the trunk as the day i took her home it was snowen hard it arrived at the dealership on Tuesday morning the week of thanksgiving . I drove it home that evening . Left my demo in the service bay that evening. I never really did anything to that one as far as playen with the engine other then a Tune up and a new set of wires.Just ran the bag off it and in two and a half years racked up 165780 miles on it when a soft plug on the back of the right head started leaking and i parked it and started driven my new F250 4X4 as i had left the dealershhip and took a job driven coal bucket , less head aches and a lot more money . The more ya hauled and the harder ya ran the bigger the paycheck.so the Duster sat and three years ago some idiot wanted so i sold what was left.all but the engine and ten years ago i opened up that 340 for the first time and i see why it ran better them the rest, Them heads on it sure aren't off the shelf heads and the cam was not the stock everyday cam nor were the pistons.
 
Actually, if memory serves me correctly, there was a 428 CJ, but the SCJ was offered only with a 429. I could be wrong. My brother had a '69 428 CJ Torino with a tailend so lite from the factory, that doing a burn out came naturally, and there was a lot of wasted momentum because of that lite backside. Giving it gas on wet pavement meant that it went nowhere because of the weight up front, no weight in the rear, so the tires pretty much only spun. Being a BB Chevy guy myself, I did have a '69 Mustang with a 390 in it, factory as well. Not as healthy as the 428 CJ or 429 SCJ, but it was fun and had far better weight distribution than my brother's Torino. In both cars, since the engines so filled the engine compartment to the point that not all of the plugs were reachable, we used hole saws to put holes through the wheel wells so that we onlt needed to remove the tires to change plugs as opposed to unbolting motor mounts to lift up where they were accessable.

I do have lots of respect for the Boss 429 head, but not as much as Mopar's Hemi head. Still though, as a BB Chevy guy back in the day, I did respect the Boss 429 head design. It was well thought out. Everyone has his preferences though. Chevy could have had a better BB head design, but they had what they had and I couldn't afford Arias Hemi heads for mine.

Mark
 
You are exactly right, Mark! The 428 CJ was an "FE" engine family like the 390/427. The 429 SCJ was the "385" series with canted valves like a BB Chevy and came in 429/460 sizes. The Boss was a 429 with full hemi combustion chambers and HUGE valves made for NASCAR and never made a good street engine. Then there was also the SOHC 427 made in limited numbers for over the counter sales in 1965 and '66 strictly for drag racing. Basically cleaned house for them two yrs in pro drag racing until NHRA "factored" it out of being competitive. Still was used in top fuel by Connie Kalitta and a few others.
 
The Boss 9 is one of my 3 dream cars- Will never own one- couldn't justify the cost even if I had the money. A friend had one (powder blue) some years ago, but he also had a real Thunderbolt and two 427 Galaxies. I've had my share of Mustangs, loved the 69-70 body style, and the 67-68 also. The only one I have left is a '93 Cobra that I bought new. Has 6800 miles on it, and runs 13.60's stock. All of my drag cars have been Mopars, should have my '65 Belvedere back on the track next summer with a good 440, high 10's is about all it will do, but the 572 Hemi is getting close. 9's will be possible with it, but might not be the best idea for my age. Would sure hate to wreck it.
 
I think Shirley Muldowney used 427 SOHCs (Cammer) as well in her "Bounty Huntress" Mustangs, but then again, she and the "Bounty Hunter" Connie Kalitta did have a relationship back then. The Cammer had a novel design 6 bolt main too, but that block was pretty heavy with that additional skirt that enveloped the main caps, but gave the cross bolts (5 and 6) into the caps that added more stability from side pressures. Had a neighbor, Sue, whose younger brother, Pete Russell, held some NHRA ProStock records with his '65 or '66 Cammer that came with stuff like an aluminum front end and bumper, plexiglass windows and stuff, all factory.

When you think about what was going on with 429" Mustangs, 427" Camaros, 426" Darts, all brand spankin' new from dealer lots, WOW!!!, those days will never come back. They were dangerously fun cars, each and every last one of them.


Mark
 
OK. Wasn't sure, as your post called one a "Boss 428 SCJ". Could be a Boss 429, a 428 CJ or SCJ, but not a "Boss SCJ" or a "Boss 428".
 
Weather is was a CJ or SCJ depended on how it was optioned, not cubic inches. Can't remember exactly what the difference was right now, but I think it was the 'drag pack' - very deep gears,(like 4.11 or 4.30), Detroit Locker rear end, LeMans rods, etc. The 428 could be has as either a CJ or SCJ in '69 and '70 Mustangs. The 429 (wedge head) could be either a CJ or SCJ, available in Mustangs only in '71. Not sure if the mid-'68 Mustangs with 428's were CJ/SCJ's or police interceptors.
 
I guess we must agree to dissagree. The SCJ was only assigned to the 429. And also the SCJ came in the Torino and Merc cyclone in 1970.
 
B-maniac, well you guys made me go up in the attic and get my ford muscle parts book. there was indeed a 428SCJ, had 427 rods and several other goodies. chuck
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fyi the boss 351 was the fastest of the bosses by far and the 4th fastest ford in the muscle wars.the top 3 were, thunderbolt, 427 cobra and the 1971 mustang 429SCJ. i bought a boss 351 new and it ran 13.4 @ 106 bone stock.good night, chuck
 
I knew the 428s and 429s were available in more than just the Mustang, I meant it (the 429 CJ or SCJ)was available in the Mustang in 1971 only.
As to whether 428's could be SCJs or not, see the post by chucksoliver77 with the picture... I also have books and magazines with the same info.
 
(quoted from post at 15:27:56 12/06/11) My guess is that your Duster was exceptional, and ordered with gears a lot steeper than the standard 3.23's. Most Duster 340/autos ran in the mid-14's in street trim.

Fun to reminisce!
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Correct! I had a 427 corvette 1968 , 425 HP, plus mod's that would only run low 13's. My 2004 Z06 scares the hell out of me, no comparison, and it's only 405 HP.

Nothing off the floor in the late 60's, early 70's would run much less then 13's
 
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