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Grange Leaders Say Proposed Regulations Against Teen Farm Labor Could be Detrimental to Agriculture, Entire Generation







WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The National Grange recently took a stand against proposed regulations by the U.S. Dept. of Labor that would limit the ability of teenagers to assist in farming operations across the country, calling the proposal "destructive" to the agriculture industry.



National Grange Legislative Director Nicole Palya Wood said the regulations take aim at many of the daily chores of rural youth and seek to drastically narrow the exemptions provided to these family farms by redefining farm ownership.



"With farming operations becoming more and more efficient and complex, this new language could leave many of our rural youth prohibited from the farms that are their heritage," Wood said Tuesday.


Ed Luttrell, president of the National Grange, America's oldest agriculture and rural America advocacy organization, said the proposed regulation goes against the grain of the American values many Grange members hold dear.



"So many of us grew up on farms, and our parents and neighbors helped us learn work ethic by giving us the opportunity, when we proved ourselves ready, to have more and more responsibility," Luttrell said. "This proposed regulation is big government stepping in to tell us when a child is ready to learn the value of work and become a contributing member of their community based on age, not on maturity. American values and a good work ethic, start at a young age, and the lessons these kids learn even doing small chores are invaluable."



The regulation, Luttrell said, "will have a direct and detrimental impact to agriculture, and would further exacerbate one of the most serious problems we as a nation face: the failure to see value in hard work."



"In our organization, many, if not most, of our leaders learned our work ethic on the farm. Even though many of us chose not to become farmers directly, we learned everything about what it is to put in a full and hard day's work, to have accountability and to do a job with pride from our time on the farm," Luttrell said. "The idea to limit on farm employment for teens is destructive to not just the agriculture industry, not just specific farm families, but to their entire generation."



Many groups have argued against the proposed regulations, citing an even more removed view of the agriculture industry for the American public.


Luttrell said the proposed regulation would "limit the exposure young people have to farming and could have a lasting impact on agriculture."



"Most children and teens have never been on a farm. Those who have, and who wish to work on one, are more than likely going to be the producers for the next generation," Luttrell said. "If we don't engage young adults in farming practices and encourage their interest in agriculture, we may threaten our very supply of food and fiber. Consider that a majority of current farmers are 55-years-old or older. Without training and encouraging youth to farm, we are soon going to run out of knowledgeable and motivated agriculturalists. This proposal makes that an even greater likelihood."



Wood also cited recent predictions that show U.S. farmers and ranchers must double production by 2050 to fulfill global food needs.



"We must commit to a safe but vibrant and expanding legacy of future growers, farmers, and ranchers rather than restrict their access, education, and involvement in family farms," Wood said.



Luttrell said the U.S. Dept. of Labor's citation of safety concerns regarding teenage farm labor are valiant but the proposed regulation as a whole is more hurtful than helpful.



"As a family organization, the safety and well being of our youth is a top priority for the Grange, because we know that we are training tomorrow's farmers and ranchers. Bestowed with that responsibility, we also understand that it is necessary to provide a safe and secure setting where our youth can develop their interests in agriculture and carry that knowledge into the future," Luttrell said.


Luttrell also said the proposed regulation would make farming and ranching an even more expensive endeavor, and said burdensome and unnecessary regulations are something the Grange actively lobbies against.



"I think this regulation is unnecessary and is going to add to the cost of doing business in America," Luttrell said.



Established in 1867, The National Grange, a nonpartisan, nonprofit fraternal organization, is the oldest agricultural and rural community service organization. With about 2,200 local chapters, the Grange has evolved into the nationʼs leading rural advocacy organization and a major benefactor to local communities. There are more than 160,000 members across the United States. For more information on the National Grange, visit our website at www.nationalgrange.org.
 
Many of the issues in the news that seem nonreligious are actually against my faith. As a Seventh Day Adventist, I believe that, "Agriculture is the ABC's of education". My church has books written by one of our founders about how children should be taught the value of farming, how it teaches the basics of life etc. I went thru high school at an Adventist laymen's school where half the school day was spent in agricultural learning, to put it mildly. This included very early morning milking and the whole farming life. I suppose that the school would be exempt from the law, as it is a religious school, yet, I assertively resist the governments attempt to reduce children's experience in real life farming. I personally feel that farming, especially gardening, actually does help us grow closer to God. I am aware that that probably sounds foolish to most, yet, that is my belief, and that is one of the reasons that I taught my children to raise animals and garden.

On a secular side, raising animals teaches children to be responsible for others. If my daughter neglects to provide the needed care for say the chickens, she is able to view the consequences, something besides her suffers because of her neglect. I believe this is seriously behind so much of the problems in the world today. Many are unable to view themselves as responsible for the care of others. How many parents that neglect their childrens needs to support their own partying and amusements, would have been more responsible had they grown up able to see the direct connection between their actions and the needs of others, if everytime they forgot to feed the chickens one died? Teenagers need to learn the lessons that farming teaches!
 
We are told it does not interfere with kids working on a family farm; but in fact as written it very narrowly allows kids to work on property owned soley by the parents. Many family farms are a conglomeration of parents, uncles/aunts, and grandparents comingling rented land into a single farm. The kids would have a very narrow bit of property upon which they could work under such a law. Could you keep your 4H project at your grandparent's barn? Not the way it is written.....

Bad law.

--->Paul
 
Bob,a lot more of us share your views than you might think. Unfortunately, the Dept. of Labor doesn't know any more about the founding of this U.S.A. than external_link does. Actually, it's not a matter of knowledge anymore, after three years I call it deliberate destruction.
 
It as if external_link wants to pass a law requiring that children spend atleast 5 hours a day in front of a video screen playing Grand Theft Auto. How does our government pass a law to limit teenagers from farming? What do think that underage agriculture will lead to? Maybe if the government doesn't act quickly to stop this, our next generation might have some productive workers who understand the value of hard work and the consequences of neglect? Without government intervention, we might have to deal with another generation that doesn't need welfare or narcotics, and is unaffiliated with any of the drug gangs, and do we really want to deal with that? What ever happened to the first lady wanting children to be active? Gardening is an activity.
 
Unfortunately Of the teens I know living on working farms right now I know of none that intend on staying on the farm. If this turns out to be a reality it will put some smaller guys I know out of business. They just can't afford hired help and there is more than one person can do. I guy I know has 5 daughters, 4 of em married and last one a senior in HS. So far he has told all of his SILs that they can live and make a living on the farm with the farm being passed on to them in the future. None are taking him up on it and only one girl is married to a farmer who is in for a share of a very large (by our standards) family farm, beef and grain. So that family my wind up taking over the farm and becoming even larger. Guy with the 5 daughters is tilling 1000 acres and has 500 under irrigation. Sad part is that I know about a dozen younger people, 18-35 that would love to be able to start farming but have little hope of ever affording the land and equipment.

So the big question is where is this government interference going to put us in 25 years?

Rick
 
"Unfortunately Of the teens I know living on working farms right now I know of none that intend on staying on the farm."

It doesn't matter if they do farming forever. It is fine that as they grow, they develop intersts in other fields. I don't expect my children to farm for a living, yet, I want them to learn that whatsoever their hands find to do... That means that when they are working in the garden, they do their best. When they feed the chickens, they do so faithfully, and when the time comes, and they sit in the House of Representatives, maybe, just maybe, they will preform those duties with the same integrity. Perhaps when our children are managing some Enron of tomorrow, they might feel the same compulsion to do what is required that they learned doing their milkings faithfully. How would things be different if adults had learned that hard work leads to a bountifull harvest, instead of learning that government is there to give them what they want? Whether they farm for a living or not is not something that matters. I believe in the deepest part of my soul that if young people were to learn what they can only learn from farming, they would be far more prepared for their adult lives. How many people would support euthinasia or abortion if they had grown up watching eggs become chicks, and chicks become chickens, or helped a cow birth a difficult calf? How many fund managers would be so flipant and irresponsible with their costumers money if they had had to earn their money by throwing hay bales in the hot summer with straw and sweat mixing on their back? In every field of employment America seriously needs people who understand agriculture, who have learned the lessons that can not be learned in a classroom.
 
Why is it that the young people you know that are 18-35 won't ever have a chance to farm on their own? What is the difference between starting from scratch right now than starting from scratch 10, 20,30,50 or 100 years ago? Millions of people have started out life in this great nation with nothing but the clothes on their backs and a willing attitude to work and do for themselves, anyone who says they cannot do it in 2011 does not want to do it because it is too much work and sacrifice. Many people are waiting for the government to do something for them, these people will never realize their potential and be successful unless they learn that the government, in all cases, is the stumbling block. When people young or old whine to me about lack of opportunity I tell them to get off their lazy backsides and make life happen for themselves.
 
Wonder what my father would have said if someone told him that I couldnt work on the farm,probally about the same thing that he would have done if I told him I wasnt going to do something.I beleive in the law and goverment but I also beleive we the people also have rights also,and God gave us knowledge to act on our own free will.We the people are the goverment,thoes in Washington DC are just employees

pastor jimmy
 
just s thought,I would be willing to bet that the college kid who walked past the orange cones into the fresh concrete yesterday never worked on a farm when he was young! There is a wealth of knowlege learned on a farm that is priceless! just my 2 cents
 
just s thought,I would be willing to bet that the college kid who walked past the orange cones into the fresh concrete yesterday never worked on a farm when he was young! There is a wealth of knowlege learned on a farm that is priceless! just my 2 cents
 
The gov thinks that keeping kids off of the farms, will create more jobs for the unemployed. I'll take a kid who wants to be on the farm working over a lazy piece of .... any day.
 
Back when we were young, the average guy could get a decent job, with benefits, that paid enough to start building some assets. After 30 years of wages going down, those days are gone. With land prices and inputs as high as they are, a lot of small farmers around here are calling it quits. And by small I mean guys with 500 acres. I have heard for years that the only way to start farming is to marry it or inherit it.
 
Bob, correct me, please, I'm not understanding you on this. U.S. Dept. is an arm of the arm of the government, and I don't think they're going to 'intervene' upon themselves. I DO think they've foisted themselves upon us, leaving us to clean up this mess. "Government never voluntarily reduces itself" (Abraham Lincoln?) and this quote continues to prove itself daily. Remember, they tried to lull us to sleep on gun control by saying, "Oh, that's just for assault weapons, you can keep your rifles". Next year they'll try to take something else, (like raise taxes on ammunition) and give us some calming phrase to make it seem insignificant. I see this same tactic being used when they say only certain people will be affected by this teen labor law. You are precisely correct about the need for teens to be on the farm. But I don't think the government is going to do do anything about it. That line on Grand Theft Auto was hilarious!
 
If you've priced land lately, priced equipment lately, and gone to a bank to try to get money lately, you'd know why 18-35 year olds have no hope of getting started unless they marry it or inherit it.

Oh rent the land? Buy used equipment?

Any rentable land has been snapped up by the big operations under long-term leases, or bought outright. A guy trying to start out now can't even get a place to work on his own.

The small used equipment out there now is the SAME EXACT stuff my Dad started out with in the mid-70's. Except now it has 35 years of hard use on it, is worn out, and you can't get parts.

What was different 35 years ago? 35 years ago, a guy with nothing could get a loan and buy a barn full of 5-10 year old equipment pretty reasonable. Try doing that today.

Oh, have all the work custom done? What's the point then? You're not a farmer, you're a bookkeeper.
 
It amazes me how some of you folks blame everything that you don't like on government interference. Most farm kids can't wait to leave the farm and never look back. A lot of poor farmers can never afford to retire and work until they die. I am glad I left wen I was 17! I joined unions and worked hard and retired when I was 58 and now I have time to use my tractors without worrying about trying to make a living with them.
 
Larry, the kid that stepped in the cememt probably had no ingrained sense of the dangers around him. He probably never mowed grass (too dangerous, you know!!!). He's never shoveled snow, he's always used stairways with OSHA approved railings, never been up a ladder, and the list goes on. This goes hand-in-hand with the post about the Grange's letter about the new teenage labor law. If they are raised in a protected world they will have no sense of danger, just like an infant child.Jim
 
Geez, this IS the post about the Grange letter. It riled me up so much I forgot where I was when I responded to Larry. I'll say it again, if these young people are raised in a little padded, dangerless world, they are going to step right into a death situation later on. We gain awareness of the dangers around us by going to the college of hard knocks!!!!!! It can't be taught in school!!!! Jim
 
A nephew who grew up on a farm wanted to farm and 12 years ago. He stayed on the farm with my BIL until he got married but that farm could not support 2 famlies and his dad refused to borrow the money to expand. He went to the bank and was told they would lend him the money to dairy farm but he would have to have at least 80 milking cows, new equipment and at least one hired hand. He crunched the numbers and didn't see how he could make it work. At the time he had completed a farm ag mechanic course at a trade school and could have gotten by with used equipment but the bank would not even talk about that. Now with all the new banking rules the bank wouldn't even talk to him.

Local gal is selling her land, 30 acres with a trailer house on it. 15 tillable....asking price is 250,000 dollars. Now how is some kid supposed to start with land prices like that?

Rick
 
O.K., I agree with you that people of our generation had an easier start than some, but how about my Dad and Uncles? Started in the late thirties, interrupted by WWII service -- bought farms after the war, worked the farms and paid for them, how many people know that there was a deep and hard recession following the war and money was tight. I'm sure your relatives faced the same things. The point is this, there will be good times and hard times again and again but people with perserverance will always at least try and most of the time succeed.
 
(quoted from post at 08:11:12 12/07/11) O.K., I agree with you that people of our generation had an easier start than some, but how about my Dad and Uncles? Started in the late thirties, interrupted by WWII service -- bought farms after the war, worked the farms and paid for them, how many people know that there was a deep and hard recession following the war and money was tight. I'm sure your relatives faced the same things. The point is this, there will be good times and hard times again and again but people with perserverance will always at least try and most of the time succeed.


Another change that keeps people from farming is starting to reverse......back in the day there were a lot of contract for deed sales.....starting to see some of that again. Also we are starting to see older farmers who don't want the big guys to get their farms when they retire are actively seeking young people who want to farm to work for them for wages and a percentage of the farm each year. Will take a few years to see how that works out. Most of the young people looking into this want to sustainable or organic farm, something a lot of the old guys ain't gonna do.

Rick
 

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