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To tell the truth,I've never owned a Massey Ferguson,but that would most likely be my choice for a new one based solely on the dealer. I've been Oliver and White for years,and Agco has gone entirely Massey,so that's were I'd go. The only one I've ever bought new in my life was a Deere,but we don't have a dealer anymore,so that wouldn't happen again. A few years ago my choice would have been a McCormick because that was the nearest dealer that we had,but they closed too,so I'm glad now that I didn't buy one.
Second choice would probably be a toss up between CaseIH and New Holland. Again,because of the dealer.
Second choice would probably be a toss up between CaseIH and New Holland. Again,because of the dealer.
My needs right now would be for a tractor in the 50-70 HP range. CIH and JD are 25 miles. Agco 15, NH 45 and Kubota is 35. Best dealer for service after the sale is Kubota followed by JD within 35 miles. The NH dealer is great but owned by 2 brothers who are getting up there in age, don't know how long they will keep open. If you would have ask last year I'd of said Massey hands down but the dealership changed hands and the new owner has no idea of service. But unless I win the lotto (figured out I don't win cause I don't buy tickets) I'll keep farming with what I have or shop for used stuff.
Rick
Rick
oldironman
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Massey Ferguson for sure. Second choice would be Kabota. Both are engineered way ahead of any of the others and parts are readly available for both. You get what you pay for.
Kubota, without question.
I bought a new (20 HP) Kubota in 1993, and it has been absolutely problem free. Routine filters, lubricants and three batteries have been all that I have put into it aside from fuel.
In 2007 I bought a new 45 HP Massey Ferguson. At 245 hours a manufacturing defect became apparent, rendering it unuseable.
Though out of warranty on elapsed time, at 245 hours I expected that MF would cover the repair and spoke with my dealer who contacted the MF regional service representative on my behalf. The rep would not consider any warranty coverage unless I took the tractor to a dealer and had it disassembled so that he could inspect the damage. This, of course, prevented me from repairing it myself. The repair involved $30.00 in small parts but over $600 of shop labor. I could have repaired it myself in 5 or 6 hours.
Since the MF rep wanted to see the damage at a MF shop before making his warranty decision, I agreed to let the dealer repair it. Subsequently AGCO refused any warranty coverage.
I will never again buy anything from AGCO.
Dean
I bought a new (20 HP) Kubota in 1993, and it has been absolutely problem free. Routine filters, lubricants and three batteries have been all that I have put into it aside from fuel.
In 2007 I bought a new 45 HP Massey Ferguson. At 245 hours a manufacturing defect became apparent, rendering it unuseable.
Though out of warranty on elapsed time, at 245 hours I expected that MF would cover the repair and spoke with my dealer who contacted the MF regional service representative on my behalf. The rep would not consider any warranty coverage unless I took the tractor to a dealer and had it disassembled so that he could inspect the damage. This, of course, prevented me from repairing it myself. The repair involved $30.00 in small parts but over $600 of shop labor. I could have repaired it myself in 5 or 6 hours.
Since the MF rep wanted to see the damage at a MF shop before making his warranty decision, I agreed to let the dealer repair it. Subsequently AGCO refused any warranty coverage.
I will never again buy anything from AGCO.
Dean
Russ from MN
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We are very happy with our 2001 JD4600, 37 pto hp. We have over 600 hrs on it with no problems whatsoever. We have heard recently that JD is dropping Holte Implement in Baudette because they don't sell enough volume. That would be very sad for that area as they are an excellent dealer and supply a huge area of northern MN, just don't sell enough tractors. I guess if I had to buy something else it would be a Kubota.
The Dukester
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A John Deere...the dealer is close by, it's an American built tractor (even if half the parts came from offshore) and I'm pretty sure that when all the important factors are considered, a John Deere will be the best buy. My next choice would be a Case IH and the next a New Holland. I don't buy anything of foreign origin if I can find it in an American made product and frankly, I don't have much use for people who do.
IBorange in TX
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Kubota all the way. I bought a M9540 Kubota and the only thing I have had to do to that machine is regulary oil change and filters. Engineered way ahead of the other brands. MHO
I have a 2680 HD Massey Ferguson ordered. It is the first tractor that I have ever personally bought new. I looked at all the others and this one was the one I liked best. If there had been a new tractor made like a 70's or 80's Ford, it would have been a no brainer. But, no Fiat for me. I have 2 old 80 hp Fords with a lot of hours on them that we use every day. Also am an Oliver fan with 3 Olivers and love the perkins motor in the 1850. It starts good and has a lot of power.
I wanted to get this before they put all the pollution junk on them.
I wanted to get this before they put all the pollution junk on them.
My son bought a 48 hp 4320 Compact John Deere.with a Cab. Don't know about the others but the JD is sure neat. Don't have to reach around looking for the controls. Has a 4 cyl turbo engine that has torque out the yasou. Also the loader has linkage to keep the bucket level. Plus a quick change bucket and pallet forks/hay forks. Also a I match quick coupler on the 3 point. can change most implements with out getting out. Also a electronic hydro that does not creep. and will set, accel and resume like your car. Also a air ride seat. Hard to beat a JD for resale value. Vic
buickanddeere
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Loader and backhoe work? Row croping? Lawn
cutting? Small hobby farm tillage?
cutting? Small hobby farm tillage?
That's kind of interesting. I just spent a few minutes on tractordata looking at the origin of different John Deere models. Didn't click on very many,but I found the country they were manufactured in listed as Germany,Japan,India,Italy,Brazil and Mexico. I could probably find more if I spent more time over there looking.
I don't know if I have much use for you anymore.
I don't know if I have much use for you anymore.
The Swanndri Guy
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If I was going to buy new, I'd get either a Valtra N92, Valtra N111e or a Valtra A93 hitech.Resale, not important as I wouldn't sell it. As for JD,over here there just interested in selling the tractor, then expecting you to pay a "premium" for their parts and service. TSG
mark in boonville ny
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deffinitally nh. jd is just terrible and everybpdy around is switching to cnh for the most parts.
my 2 cents is Kubota. We're on our fifth one at work. This last one is a 5740 purchased 5-6 years ago. We put on about 2000-2500 hours, have little or no problems, use it for around 5 years, get a decent deal on trade in and it just goes and goes and goes. This last one I get worried about the front end in some. We use it as a loader about 95% of the time. It easily moves 80 semi's of mulch per year plus everything else. Nothing has happened to the front end though. I'll be ready to trade this year or next. I run a M125 to plant with a 12 row planter, 15' bush hog, etc. It's awesome.
Ok, I wanna play too! I recently bought a Kubota 50hp 4wd with FEL and quick attach so I can interchange attachments with my bobcat skidsteer.
When shopping I found a comparison with all the manufacturers of under 60hp, and they were all made in India, China, Korea, Mexico, or Brazil... with the exception of Kubota, which is totally made in Japan (and I think even with Japanese parts). I do remember the reputation of Japanese products many years ago, but today I think they are among the best manufacturers in the world, and they still take pride in their products (the Japanese I mean). So I figured, If I couldn't buy one made in North America, I'd take one made in Japan, where they still have pride in what they do, and make good products. I also buy Japanese bearings when I can't get SKF in the size I need.
My 2 cents,
Troy
When shopping I found a comparison with all the manufacturers of under 60hp, and they were all made in India, China, Korea, Mexico, or Brazil... with the exception of Kubota, which is totally made in Japan (and I think even with Japanese parts). I do remember the reputation of Japanese products many years ago, but today I think they are among the best manufacturers in the world, and they still take pride in their products (the Japanese I mean). So I figured, If I couldn't buy one made in North America, I'd take one made in Japan, where they still have pride in what they do, and make good products. I also buy Japanese bearings when I can't get SKF in the size I need.
My 2 cents,
Troy
Anonymous-0
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Please tell us what an expert would buy for each of those applications.
Check Break
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What are you going to do with it. It doesn't have enough weight IMO so the 95HP is meaningless. Do you need 95HP and are you comparing it to another 95 HP tractor thinking it will perform similarly.
Check Break
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If you are going to buy a Japanese compact tractor, buy a Kubota. The quality is superior to all the others. That being said, I have no idea if its now going to glow in the dark. Sadly, its something to consider.
I first learned the difference between compacts from an honest NH salesman; I later confirmed it for myself. Seemed crazy to me at the time; what NH salesman is going to tell you Kubota is better but he just told it like it was.
I first learned the difference between compacts from an honest NH salesman; I later confirmed it for myself. Seemed crazy to me at the time; what NH salesman is going to tell you Kubota is better but he just told it like it was.
flying belgian
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Last oct. I bought a new Case-Farmall 65A. Same as a New Holland T-something. The New Holland was cheaper but I really wanted to buy from my Case dealer 3 miles down the road so I told him to give me a reason and he matched the price.
NO! Ford sold their share to NH who was then snapped up by Fiat. I really have a personal problem with Fiat so if I were to buy any new farm equipment it would not be from any company that Fiat owns or controls. Heck even for my 2 IH tractors, round baler and haybine I try very hard to buy aftermarket. I believe that Fiat will bring down CIH/NH just like thay did with the AC construction buy out.
Rick
Check Break
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No. Ford got out of tractors in the 80-s if I remember correctly. Fiat eventually bought them out and IMO has been ruining them ever since. I used to complain to the Fiat rep when he made his annual appearance. He acted like I was a piece of dirt. They did the same thing to the Brits before they closed Basildon. The Brits had the last laugh. They used to send every third BSD engine with a rod knock.
I don't know what you're planning on using a compact for. If its just for home use it will probably hold up but won't be as trouble free as a Kubota. The large NH tractors are getting a bad rep around here; they are not holding up well. A friend of mine who turns wrenches for one of the larger farmers has nothing but bad things to say about them. The JD-s run 14K hrs with routine service. The new NH-s have been in and out of the shop multiple times within the first 2K hours. Pretty sad.
I don't know what you're planning on using a compact for. If its just for home use it will probably hold up but won't be as trouble free as a Kubota. The large NH tractors are getting a bad rep around here; they are not holding up well. A friend of mine who turns wrenches for one of the larger farmers has nothing but bad things to say about them. The JD-s run 14K hrs with routine service. The new NH-s have been in and out of the shop multiple times within the first 2K hours. Pretty sad.
Check Break
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Nope I retired from the US Army in 96. It was a couple of years after that that Ford sold their share to NH and then almost right away Fiat snapped em up.
Rick[/quote]
I looked up the dates after your post. The fog cleared and I realized the Blue Oval didn't go away until '95. Ford actually acquired NH in '86 and Fiat acquired FNH in '91. It just seemed like the 80-s were the beginning of the end. With the acquisition of NH, FNH engineering took a siesta and lost its dominance in the market. Ford built the finest backhoe at that time and rode that design into the ground until all market share was lost. CAT and JD seized that opportunity. A real shame. I still believe the new generation 555E is a much better concept than CAT or Deere but Fiat could care less about its engineering deficiencies and will never make it into what it was meant to be.
Rick[/quote]
I looked up the dates after your post. The fog cleared and I realized the Blue Oval didn't go away until '95. Ford actually acquired NH in '86 and Fiat acquired FNH in '91. It just seemed like the 80-s were the beginning of the end. With the acquisition of NH, FNH engineering took a siesta and lost its dominance in the market. Ford built the finest backhoe at that time and rode that design into the ground until all market share was lost. CAT and JD seized that opportunity. A real shame. I still believe the new generation 555E is a much better concept than CAT or Deere but Fiat could care less about its engineering deficiencies and will never make it into what it was meant to be.
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