Anyone Use 2-4DB 175 on Post emerge Beans?

Just wondering..it says it can be applied to beans 8" tall to mid flowering...I've got glyphos resistence broadleaves and need it sooner - some beans are now 6-8" tall but some only 2" - emergence has been real uneven due to droughty conditions and small replant area...

call your county extention agent. I've never heard of it. i have heard that they are breeding beans that we can spray with 24d!

2-4-D will kill your beans. Where did you get the information that it wouldn't?

Haven't heard of any beans released that can take 24D.

I see blurbs for an upcoming story this morning on CBS morning show about 'agent orange corn'.

This is corn gmo'ed to handle 24-D a lot better than current corn. But, the media is running with the extremists again, making it a one-sided story, using buzz words.

Good luck with the beans.

--->Paul

Is this the same as the 24db that was available 30 years ago? If so it was good for cockle burrs. It sure made for a sick looking soybean field. I wouldn"t use it.

I don't think the beans would handle it and I don't see where it is labeled to use for soybeans. I would look into a tank mix partner for the glyphosate such as Cobra. It will depend on what is legal for use in your state. Your fertilizer/ chemical dealer can advise you. They have additives now that greatly reduce the leaf browning associated with the older herbicides.

Try some flexstar gt. its a little less harsh on the beans than cobra. i defenately would not tank mix with roundup.

Look up the msds fella's...2-4D Amine will KILL your soybeans but 2-4DB 175 (NOTE THE B) is formulated for use in soybeans but only at particular stages...

Yes on the others - looking at "pheonix" which I think ist he same as Cobra and flexstar but being I've already made two attempts at these weeds...they are now outside the height zone...

Let the beans get to the 8 inch size. The 2-4 DB will burn the tops some but it does not seem to hurt them much. It is a cheap product so many chemical sellers don't talk about it at all because they make very little on selling it. They will push some higher priced product on you.

Just make sure you have the rate figured correctly. You need to be exact in the application rate. A little too much and you will really smoke the beans hard and too little will do nothing on the weeds.

I use some each year it seems that some weed or another will escape and I need to use some. It works well on many types of vines.

PAUL, DanR, Tom NE, and NY 986 READ the posting more carefully. We are not talking about 2-4D we are talking about 2-4 DB notice the B on the end. It is a different product made for soybeans. It has been around for twenty-five years or more. It works well when used correctly.

In this area 2,4-DB was widely used years ago. It's predominant use was for morning glory vines. It will look like you killed the beans but in a couple weeks they will grow out of it. One fertilizer dealer used to tell his customers in this area "if you use it go fishing for two weeks and don't even look at the field". It is a cheap product but the "touchiness" factor is a risk. There are newer products that will do what you want to do and while they are more expensive to buy in the long run they are actually cheaper to use to do much better crop saftey. It doesn't hurt as much to ding a bean like it does corn (in fact it often helps them joint closer) but 2,4-DB is so touchy I would think twice on using it unless you have non-GMO beans and have morning glories. Then it is the product of choice, burn and all. Mike

Here's a link. Note page 7

http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld3OO007.pdf

But I'm lookin for someone who's used it.
2 4DB 175

It just is 1.75 lbs of active ingredient per gallon product. The jug I have is 2.0 lbs per gallon product. Your application rate would just be different.

I posted below that I use some every year. It will burn the beans a little. Try not to spray in the heat of the day and that helps. I usually try to use it early evening. Just early enough the dew sets after the chemical is dry.

Just make darn sure your sprayer is calibrated correctly and you have your rate figured correctly. If you use too much you can really burn the beans. Not enough and the weeds will not die.

I like the product for certain weeds. Like vines and such. It is cheap and works if used correctly. The chemical companies will not talk about it for two reasons: 1) It is cheap and they don't make much on it. 2) If applied wrong it will burn the beans bad and then they get complaints about it.

Many guys just throw chemicals out there an cut corners and such. Many try using a half rates and then complain about uneven kills. I would bet that most don't calibrate their sprayer ever. Just drive a tank off and guess about the acres. Then they complain when they get crappy control. The worst part is they are starting the resistant weeds for all the rest of us.

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Paul, Dan, he didn't say 2, 4-D, he said 2, 4-DB! 2, 4-DB is the mirror image molecule of 2, 4-D. It's as different from 2, 4-D, as is Agent orange(2, 4, 5-T). Agent orange got a bad rap, it was a good brush killer, problem is is that the military version of it was contaminated with Dioxin. Dioxin is what causes cancer.

Thanks a bunch guys...Im narrowing onto the Flexstar - I'm scared of the 2-4DB...now...Don't want to burn the beans

I did just get an email from syngenta - and he too suggested the Flexstar GT he says its flexstar with touchdown and sugggested 3.5pts/ac...I was worried it might have the same MOA as the Thunder Master I put down - but he says I'm good to go - the MOA is diff for flexstar...

I'm checking on prices now - but my guy at MFA split on me.... uggg....

T

I used the 'safer' stuff on beans 2 weeks before I planted the field. Supposed to be good to go....

Beans grew up, laid over, and gew sideways. Some of the longest (tallest, if it weren't for sideways...) beans I ever saw. Not a pod on them.

Thank goodness I only did spot spraying.

Won't use anything with 2,4-x near beans or alfalfa again. I hear my soil and my moisture and my spring temps issues are the worst for these chemicals to damage a crop.

I hear it works for some/ many, but I'm the 'rest of the story' I guess.

You offer good points too, depends on conditions one has. Always good to get a range of answers to confuse - I mean, relay as much info for a person to choose the closest condioins to what one has and go forward knowing as much as possible.

--->Paul

A fellow on another site refered to the network show as SEE-BS. I believe that is about right for all US news media.