need advice on teaching son to shoot

I have an 8 year old son who wanted to start shooting my guns. I bought him a youth .22 and sighted the scope in on it. When he shoots off the shooting bench at 20 yards he can hit a 2 inch circle every time. BUT when I have him sit on the ground and shoot or stand up he cant hit the target half the time! I tell him to use his knee to steady on, breath all the air out of his lungs, take his time, ect ect. Is there any tips you have I can pass along? He is really looking forward to squirrel season in 7 weeks! I want him shooting a little better!
 
i teach 4-H shooting sports, work on the other stances first then the standing will come, we only shoot the little kids up to 8-9 in the prone postion , standing is the hardest so don't worry about it ,shoot shoot and shoot some more, and above all else HAVE FUN!
 
starting my 7 year old grandson - we have him shoot at small balloons. Makes it more fun for them and less pressure.
 
Is he shooting with the wrong eye ?

Dominant eye test is simple. Point at something distant with your
finger having both eyes open. Then close left eye. If your finger
is still right on, your right eye is dominant. If your finger is not
right on, your left eye is dominant.

Many people are right handed but are forced to shoot as lefties
because of eye dominance. I am one of them.
 
The post about which eye is good. Also see if he is jurking the round off. The Gun going off should be some what of a surprize. If he is trying to hold right on the target to long he might start shaking (Like us old guy Ha Ha) have him start aiming low and move up to the bulls eye. He then can adjust if his shots are all in the same location. I have heard people that would move from the side to the bulls eye. Once he feel good about shuting take a can of tomato juice without the lable and set it in front of a white sheet or board and have him hit it. I would do that with ladies that wanted to lean to carry a gun. (be ready to grab the gun incase they pass out) Later in training I also had a target that I could pull towards them and see if they could get a shot before the bad guy got to them.
 
You may want to see if you can find some military field manuals on marksmanship, ebay or surplus store, good info in them, help both you and him, rationale is they schooled masses of people on how to accomplish results, will have all the positions, good reference material at least and should be easy to source, he may need to grow a bit, but sooner or later he will figure it out. I remember the first time I shot a .22, was in first grade, was a rifle, I could barely hold it up in a standing position, relaxed down to a hip just to get the feel of it, my dad was always busy, or short on time, was a friend of moms over for dinner husband and wife, he brought a .22 rifle to plink with after, I thought that was really cool, as there was no way my dad would have done this, they were not cool about anything actually LOL, but the opportunity to shoot and the experience was priceless. Years later I pressed him on it, went out a few times, that was it, figured it out on my own and I used military manuals, from school, as it had a JROTC program, had a rifle team and a tactical team, qualified at the National Guard range with the M16, anf 1911 .45 starting as a freshman, that was good stuff in those days ! Junior and Senior years, we went to one of the ranges at West Point, if we learned nothing else, we sure learned some marksmanship.

Like was said below, practice and practice again, might get tired or just off if too much, knock off, try again asap, the bench ought to build confidence for the other positions, not easy, I remember how heavy that rifle was to me then, nice experience for a father to teach a son marksmanship, and SAFETY, too ! Be good to hear back in a few weeks, bet he improves too !!!
 
Some good ideas here - but I'd say it's most important to get bigger targets. 2" at 20 yards is too tight.

Accuracy will come over time. You can't rush it. It's a muscle control thing - and the body has to grow into that. A kid can want it all he wants, but they can't mentally learn your way around it. Their muscles have to be capable of being controlled in a way to produce the results.

Much better to let his body get used to it while shooting at a more reasonably sized target.

If his level of control allows him to be pretty good hitting a 2 foot circle, then so be it.

Over the weeks/months slowly reduce the size of the targets. When he's regularly hitting one size with no trouble, that's when you can shrink it a little.

A side benefit to doing it this way is that it'll keep his confidence up too to be constantly improving.

But it's more than confidence building, it will slowly force the muscles to develop and be controlled at increasingly more precise levels.

Just like pitching. You first learn to throw. Then you learn to throw at a wall. Then you learn to throw to a person. Then you learn to throw to a glove. What makes it possible is the constant improvement of the muscles that allow for more and more precision.
 
Make sure he's in a safe place and knows how to handle the rifle (loading/unloading alone and keeping the barrel out of the ground), give him some shells and targets & leave him alone (within supervision/emergency intervention distance). Get rid of the scope til he can shoot and hit good without it. If he can't hit anything close up, no sense in lettin him try to reach out as far as he can see with the scope and missing/killing someone..... Any chance you can find a BB or pellet rifle near enough to the same size and weight to build his confidence and save some bucks on bullets? Now is a real good time to teach him the importance of hearing protection also.

Have fun...
 
As a former USPSA Master, ICORE Master, NBRSA
1000yd record holder, designer and custom firearms builder, I wish to offer a few
suggestions. All the input from the rest of the
crew is very well noted, yet I would like to add a
few things you may wish to explore.
1. Make sure the shooter has very good eye and
ear protection. This is essential to ensure that
he is keeping his eyes open before, during and
after the shot. While shooting at nothing, allow
him to try and see the flame from the muzzle and
the bullet travel (it is very difficult with a 22
but it can be done). Comfort and relaxation are
paramount to shooting.
2. get rid of the optics. (when learning, optics
enhance every body movement and can be very
destructive to the psyche. "Most" people cannot
shoot anything over 4X well off hand. Also, if
shooting with both eyes open, anything above 3.75X
tends to confuse the brain"s interpretation of
what the eye sees).
3. Remember, shooting is 90% mental and 10%
mechanics. Thoroughly explain, sight alignment,
sight picture, trigger control and follow through.
Explain how each is different yet they all must be
present at the same time for the shot to succeed.
4. Quit using "TARGETS". Use a plain piece of
white paper at 7 FEET. Remember that it is the
mind that places the bullet on the mark which the
shooter has chosen. The shooter must "see" the
shot placement before the trigger is pulled. Have
the shooter place a shot anywhere on the paper
that he has chosen. After the shot is taken, ask
whether it is where he wanted it? (Remember that
shooting is a learning exercise, every shot should
teach something, whether good or bad). Now that
there is a hole, that now becomes his target for
this string. Fire 4 or 5 more rounds using the
original hole as the aiming point (quit teaching
the 6 o"clock hold (only has limited applications)
and sight-in/teach bullet impact at the top of the
front sight using a 50% hold). This is the best
exercise I know of: this allows the shooter to
see where the shots are impacting; immediate
feedback. Look for groups. Groups, wherever they
are is what is desired. One the shooter has
mastered groups, then adjust the sights. Also,
remember that the body naturally moves in a figure
"8" pattern, whether vertical or horizontal. Make
sure each shot is being refined as constant pressure is applied to the trigger. DO NOT try to
time the shot with the sight coming across the
target (a guaranteed miss). After a few sessions,
move the target further out and start using a
hollow diamond shape (use electrical tape for the
diamond, the diamond will help with being able to
see the position of the front sight). Teach the shooter to call each shot off the front sight. Allow the shooter to tell you how each shot felt, ask questions, especially ask "What did you see?" BTW--always
use black and white NEVER teach with orange
because the eyes will blur, if eye blurring before
6 seconds is occurring, have the shooter focus on
a piece of bright green material for a few
seconds. Eyes will tend to blur after 6 seconds- 4A> Breathe!!! No breath holding (will blurr the vision after 6 seconds MAX.
Breathing should be normal and gentle, with a slight pause as the trigger disengages the sear, about halfway through the breath.4. TAKE YOUR TIME!! Learn to put the gun down and
not take the shot. Relax, try different
positions. There are many techniques and some
basic principles. Allow the shooter to try them
all and build a technique that works for him.
"Feel" is everything.
5. Most important. HAVE FUN!!! Enjoy each
other, talk, listen, explore. Don"t push. Do
some accuracy exercises, then play witha reactive
target for a while (No closer than 11yd or per
instructions). Always finish with accuracy (last
10 shots). Again--HAVE FUN!!!
6. Lots of water (not Coke or energy drinks),
lots of breaks and rest. REMEMBER--If the
shooting provides discouragement or discomfort,
the shooter will give up and not shoot. Go at the
shooter"s pace, not yours--make it all about them-
-they will then shoot and become better on their
own. Make it something THEY want to accomplish,
not you.
LAST: Do not allow unlimited ammo, no spray and
pray. Each shot must teach the shooter, only he
know what it is saying to him. SAFETY< SAFETY<
SAFETY!!! HAVE FUN!!! --Hope this helps.
 
Don't know about everyone else, but I started with a Daisey BB gun, pellet gun, then .22 and .410, etc.

If he really enjoys it, he will get the hang of it. After all, he's only eight.
 
I think the most important thing you said. Was don"t push or have him be what you want to be.

When I was in high school. We had a kid who"s father was an AFL reject. So he tried to live his football career through his son. He would stand on the sidelines. Screaming orders to his son.The kid lost many games because of it.He finally ended up having a nervous breakdown. So I say let the kid learn at his own pace.
 
I'll second the recommendation to get rid of the scope for shooting offhand and prone. Peep sights are best for teaching marksmanship.

The thing to remember is that if you're not shooting off the bench, the sight picture is always changing; the tendency is for the front sight to make a circle around the target. This isn't so noticeable to an adult, but it's very frustrating to a young shooter, and the harder the shooter tries to get the sights to line up with the target, the worse the movement. So, in no particular order:

1. The rifle should be supported by the shooter's skeleton, not their muscles. In a proper position, the shooter should be able to relax and have a good sight picture: if they have to "force" the rifle to point at the target, the sight picture will never settle down. (This isn't possible with a normal offhand hold, which is why competitive shooters set their left elbow against their chest and hold the rifle by the magazine rather than forearm. So the prone position is the best position for learning marksmanship.)

2. With iron sights, it's not possible to focus on both the target and sights. The shooter has to focus on the sights, get them lined up and then shift focus to the target, line up on the target, then back to the sights, constantly switching focus until the trigger is pulled. This takes some practice, so start by focusing on good sight alignment, rather than the target.

3. Since the sight picture is always changing, the shooter should squeeze the trigger as the sight picture improves and slightly relax as it gets worse. The shooter should be surprised when the rifle goes off. In time, this becomes so reflexive that it can happen very quickly without the shooter thinking about it.

Another thing to be aware of is that many (if not all) factory rifles have a terrible trigger pull. This can usually be improved by lubricating the trigger sear. If you can adjust the trigger pull, keep it above three pounds, and too little pull is as bad as too much. Also, dry-fire practice is good, as it can reveal if the shooter is jerking the trigger, but some rimfire rifles can be damaged by dry-firing; check your manual to see if it's safe for your rifle.
 
A couple of things I learned while teaching my sons how to shoot.

1. Get rid of the scope

2. Make it fun. Milk jugs full of water and .22 hollow points give everyone a good laugh.

3. No matter how light the rifle and how strong the boy is at 8 years old he will lack the muscle control to steady a rifle for long range shots until he has spent a lot of time working on it.

4. 2' targets at 20 yards is a good starting point. My experience has been that you need a bulls eye in the center - not a blank sheet as suggested below. The bulls eye becomes the target - otherwise the 2' square is the target - aim small miss small.
 
There is a huge difference in teaching an adult to shoot and a kid. I'm retired Army and was a certified smal arms instructor, son of a 5th Army rifle team shooter. I'm also a father.

Mistakes my dad made when I was a kid.

1. Expecting me to hit a bull at age 5 and getting angry when I couldn't.

2. Placing a lot of pressure on me to perform.

3. Refusing to allow me ammo to practice with because it "was a waste of money".

4. Expecting a 5 year old to understand balistics.

5. Becoming angry when I started hunting when I missed (keep in mind the no practice thing)

Now I did learn to shoot and do it well. But that was after I was earning money for lawn mowing and such and giving mom money to buy me .22. And dad did learn that some people (most) can't just pick up a gun and shoot. He taught my BIL to shoot after I left home. He found that the more shooting the bil did the better he got. That was really amazing to dad.

The milk jug idea is great and kids love it. Another suggestion is to take an unopen can of pop (the cheap stuff) and shooting it so your son gets the idea of just how destructive a gun can be. Explain it at a level he can understand, remember he's 8, not 18.

Also don't stand there and let him shoot and you watch the target, Watch how he is on the trigger. See if he's jerking. Watch the muzzel and see if he has a lot of movement. Watch to see if he's putting his shoulder into it as he's pulling the trigger. When he makes a mistake gently talk to him about what he did and what he should have done. Make sure he isn't taking too long with his shots with his breating, explain that if he needs to he can wait to fire until he has breathed again. All too often a coach on a military range is really acting as a spotter and calling out the shoots, not watching the shooter and pointing out errors.

Don't allow him to get discouraged both in practice and hunting. You can ruin a kid for life by starting em too early.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 07:09:19 07/16/12) There is a huge difference in teaching an adult to shoot and a kid. I'm retired Army and was a certified smal arms instructor, son of a 5th Army rifle team shooter. I'm also a father.

Mistakes my dad made when I was a kid.

1. Expecting me to hit a bull at age 5 and getting angry when I couldn't.

2. Placing a lot of pressure on me to perform.

3. Refusing to allow me ammo to practice with because it "was a waste of money".

4. Expecting a 5 year old to understand balistics.

5. Becoming angry when I started hunting when I missed (keep in mind the no practice thing)

Now I did learn to shoot and do it well. But that was after I was earning money for lawn mowing and such and giving mom money to buy me .22. And dad did learn that some people (most) can't just pick up a gun and shoot. He taught my BIL to shoot after I left home. He found that the more shooting the bil did the better he got. That was really amazing to dad.

The milk jug idea is great and kids love it. Another suggestion is to take an unopen can of pop (the cheap stuff) and shooting it so your son gets the idea of just how destructive a gun can be. Explain it at a level he can understand, remember he's 8, not 18.

Also don't stand there and let him shoot and you watch the target, Watch how he is on the trigger. See if he's jerking. Watch the muzzel and see if he has a lot of movement. Watch to see if he's putting his shoulder into it as he's pulling the trigger. When he makes a mistake gently talk to him about what he did and what he should have done. Make sure he isn't taking too long with his shots with his breating, explain that if he needs to he can wait to fire until he has breathed again. All too often a coach on a military range is really acting as a spotter and calling out the shoots, not watching the shooter and pointing out errors.

Don't allow him to get discouraged both in practice and hunting. You can ruin a kid for life by starting em too early.

Rick

That's right... Don't discourage him with the small arms stuff... Otherwise he'll grow up and join the army &amp; be a tanker.All that schoolin, smarts, &amp; common sense will just be flushed down the drain then :shock:

Or, worse yet.... Join the navy :roll:
 
I got my first single shot 22 at age 12. I think 7 an 8 year olds
are just to young to comprehend the fundamental of shooting
and could lead to a dangerous situation if he should get ahold
of a gun when you are not there to control the event.
Remember not everyone locks their guns up and you may not
be around.
I was taught at an early age not to touch any of the guns in the
house that were all over the place.
Wait a couple of years for the boy to grow up and you will be
happier about the outcome.
Also make his first gun a single shot it makes one a much
better shot knowing you don't get a second chance with the
pull of a trigger.
Walt
 
Yep.

Chuck the scope. Draw him a picture of how the sight pic should look and let him go at the bench. Young folks have a hard time hold'n steady enough to use a scope well enough off a bench. (Many grown men are the same way, shoot a box off the bench the weekend before deer season and wander why they can't hit anything)

If for no other reason to toss the scope, shoot'n is like drive'n, a few years from now if you start him off in an auto his left foot will never work right.

Good luck, don't let him get discouraged.

Dave
Former 4-H Shooting Sports Coach, Ky DFWR Hunter Ed Instructor, and hunter saftey teacher at Camp Currie four summers of college.
 
Sorry for the additional post, but I think I did
not articulate the reasoning behind shooting close
and not using a "bull". The practical reasoning
is that when learning, immediate feedback is
essential. Remember that building of motor skills
requires feedback (just like feeling bolt torque
with a wrench). As the shooter becomes more
comfortable with his skills, continue to move the
target. I always practice this drill whether with
handguns or rifle (mind you because of the skill
level, I shoot smallbore at 50 feet, even using a
Walther KK300 it is quite a challenge for me to
stack the shots). The biggest advantage that I
have found when teaching this way is
psychological. If the shooter cannot get
immediate feedback from the shot, he does not know
whether what he did works or not. I found that
when a new shooter has to go forward to check
shots and finds that he did not hit what he
wanted, he becomes very discouraged. This, I
believe is very true especially for children--they
want to perform and do well; trying to please us.
Remember, part of our job, ESPECIALLY when
teaching shooting skills is to build THEIR
confidence. I use this drill when teaching new
shooters pistol and I can usually have the shooter
engaging 12" plates at 100yds after about an hour
or so (BTW--anyone can do that with a pistol,
there is no secret).

As stated earlier, dry firing is the best and
cheapest practice, but I urge people not to dry
fire a rimfire unless it is a Kimber or CZ.
Damage to the chamber or firing pin is likely to
occur.

Like everyone else said, enjoy and have fun with
it. Experiment with different challenges, make up
your own games to play. Not only are the sessions
mean to teach skills, but they are your special
time together. Also, if I may, never say "do it
this way", always use "try this--". Also, try not
to use the words "don't, no, or especially
'miss'". Always use "do, yes, shot and hit".

Again, everyone's input is spot on especially with
have fun and enjoy your time together.
 
I am one of the lucky ones, I am left handed but my right eye is stonger. Shooting is the only thing I do right handed.

When I worked at a kids camp teaching 5th and 6th graders to shoot while I was in college every week seems like I had a few kids who's daddy had made them learn to shoot with the wrong eye.

Dave
 
RULE 1. MAKE SURE HE IS HAVING FUN.
RULE 2. SEE RULE 1.
RULE 3. SEE RULE 1 AGAIN.

Ok. Now thats out of the way. .22 ammo is cheap. Let him fire off a clip to two. Boys like noise and destroying things.

Get cans, milk jugs, old toys from a garage sale.

Make up the shooting course. 10 targets off the bench, 10 targets prone, 10 standing... you get the idea.

While doing this, re-inforce the basics that others have already posted. If you overload his brain, it will be like work to him, and he will find something else to do.

Rick
 
Given the constraints of time and space, I'll add my 2c worth.
1. Your son shoots OK from the bench so at least he's doing something right. Next, I'd move him to the prone position with a sandbag rest. The prone position is the steadiest of all positions and is important considering he's only 8 years old. Here, he should lie with his legs outspread and his body at about a 45 degree angle to the left of the gun/target line (for a right handed shooter). The left elbow should be directly under the rifle and the rifle should rest on the heel of the palm. This way, the rifle will be largely supported by bones rather than muscles which will provide a relatively stable platform. A properly adjusted sling will help. This will enable him to better HOLD THE RIFLE STEADY. This is what he was able to do at the bench but is now having trouble with.
2. Aiming and trigger squeeze. Briefly, if the sights are aligned correctly on the target when the rifle goes off, the bullet will hit on the target as desired. One way to accomplish this is to only squeeze the trigger when the sights are properly aligned. This means stopping the squeeze when the sights, due to rifle wobble, waver off the target and picking up the squeeze when the sights are again perfectly aligned. This means the firer will not know precisely when the rifle will fire which will help to prevent flinching and yanking the trigger. Yanking the trigger will almost always result in a miss. It's important to relax during this phase and breathing becomes a necessary nuisance because of the body movement it causes. You taught your son to fully let out his breath which is not the way to do it. What works best for me is to breathe normally until just as I'm taking up the trigger slack I take a normal breath and let out half of it and continue with coordinated aiming and squeezing. This becomes automatic after a while but you have to get to know the rifle's trigger pull characteristics. I wouldn't do that with a "hair trigger". (;>))At any rate, don't have him "breathe all the air out of his lungs".
3. Fire groups of three shots each and teach him how to "call his shots" and score/critique each group. Talk it over with him. If two of his shots were right on the mark but one was off, does he know which one probably was off the mark and why? Make any necessary adjustments and try, try again.
4. After sufficient time firing from the prone position he should be doing quite well and his confidence to hit what he's aiming at be at a point where he can take up a position much more useful for hunting.
5. The sitting position. When you told him to use "his knee to steady on", what did you mean? A really big mistake is to put the elbows on the knees. The loose cartilage of the elbows and kneecaps will cause wobble. And when you said "knee", did you mean just one knee? That would be the kneeling position, not the sitting position. Don't teach him the kneeling position just yet. The proper sitting position is much more stable than kneeling and just as useful for hunting as it gets the firer and his rifle up out of the vegetation. There's a lot more to it but with all the advice you've been given in this thread you and that fine boy of yours should be able to get'r done.
 
Im a 4 H shooting sports instuctor, I guess the first thing is you need to lay down some rules and stress S A F E T Y! I keep a shooting box with supplies to help stress the importance of eye/ear protection. Next relize that some kids get the hang of it early and some take a little while, no big deal! Make it safe and fun! Sometimes using an air rifle is a good place to start. Shoot alot! Start with a close range and master that and work your way up. There are lots of fun targets you can get for practice and use some other stuff for fun. In the fall our group uses pumkins for a fun shoot. Colored water in clear bottles is fun, try to empty it from the top down, baloons are fun too, we also use playing cards (shoot all the hearts, clubs ect on a card for the biggest score). Dont discourage and build on the positive. Date and keep targets so that you can chart his improvement. You may want to use a shooting stick to help stablize the shot, anything for improvement of accuracy and a little fun. Good luck and stay safe, I have tons of fun shooting with my kids, hope you do too!
 
As some have mentioned, I'd stress safety big time.

Next most important thing is to make it FUN! The balloons for targets is a great idea. We also fill aluminum cans or 1/2 gallon milk jugs with water... the visual of water spraying everywhere when they hit it is very satisfying to our kids. Heck, even us big people think it's fun too.
 
Justin lots of good advice here. I will just add one thing. Have him use just the tip of his finger on the trigger. Also make sure that there is daylight between his trigger finger and the stock that way he is not pulling the gun to the side when he pulls the trigger and it also helps him to squeeze the trigger rather then pull it. Also as others have stated MAKE IT FUN.

Bob
 
Many really great tips for new shooters on this post! One thing I feel is important for shooters that are starting to shoot off hand standing is to let them know that everyone wobbles off hand. Practice is the only way to improve your off hand shooting that I know of. Some people have the opinion that an off hand hit is an accident, but people who practice have more success off hand than people who don't.
 
When you say "tip of his finger", are you referring to the very tip or that part of the finger between the end of the digit and the first joint? If you include the latter as your definition of "tip" then I agree. If you mean the very tip end of the finger then you will have to convince me as to why that would be better. I learned (somewhere in the Bible (;>)) that the most sensitive part of the finger is about half way between the end of the digit and the first joint which is where the nerves end and laying that point of the finger on the iron will give the most precise feel and also makes possible the placement of the finger at right angles to the trigger.
 
Make sure he always wears hearing protection. My dad was a master marksman but one day years ago he had lost the hearing in his right ear. He figures it's because of his shooting days back in the 50's. The Dr's. did all kinds of tests but couldn't figure out what happened. Most important make sure he's having fun and don't push him if he loses interest. My dad retired from competitive shooting because it wasn't fun anymore. He always used iron sights because if a scope was off, it would magnify how far off the target you were.
 
Seeing as how he hits well from the bench but not standing or kneeling means is position is poor standing or kneeling. He needs to be tight and locked, not using muscles but his bones because when he pulls the trigger, his muscles relax and it moves the gun (then he misses). As you know, kids are infamous for having less than steller musle control and concentration. When his brain starts talking to the trigger finger to pull, the other muscles start doing their own thing. You can check that by taping a cheap lazer to the barrel so you can watch the lazer dot while watching his trigger control. Tape the lazer so the dot is out of his sight while aiming, only you want to see the dot so you can see whats going on.

The lazer is also a good tool to see if he is really tucked into a good position using bones. Have him aim and get tight, then hold a card over the scope so he cant see or have him close his eyes. You will see right away if he is using only muscles.

If he is having trigger control problems, it may help to go back to the bench and have him aim but you pull the trigger for him so he can see through the scope exactally what things look like when the trigger is properly pulled. Way too many kids, in fact almost every one I have helped with, have the Nintendo mentality. They think they can grab a gun, point, go bang and it hits exactally where they invision, NOT where they had the gun pointed. Allowing them to SEE right when the gun goes bang helps.

Keep it fun, 8 is pretty young and you dont want him to lose interest due to lack of success. I think its best to end the learning session on a high note. Get out some interactive targets, swinging targets, clay birds stuck in the ground, even nilla wafers if thats all you got. Maybe even let him "empty the clip" on the semi auto. Shooting paper can get boring and really having some fun at the end makes him want to come back and shoot again. Just teach him from the get go its like desert, a little treat at the end.
 
Yes I ment between the tip and the first joint. Sorry I should of been more precise.

Bob
 
Consider taking an hour or two and making an outing of going to a trap and skeet range to watch others. Trap, skeet, games. Might help with interest and motivation. Something you may want to participate in someday!
Talk to some of the guys there. It won't take you long to tell who the best shooters are, and many of them hang out and chat for hours.
Ask them a for a few pointers. (for both of you, we're never too old to learn, and you're doing this together)
Don't forget to ask them how much they've practiced.
I wouldn't think of asking a child to practice as much as an adult, but practice is key. A little at a time as the muscles develop.
All good marksmen practice.
Make it fun, make it challenging, keep it safe.
 

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