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Tony in Mass.

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Africanized killer bees? Since this forum is the first place I turn to for medical advice, just kidding.... But... my father, 93 next month, was stung about half a dozen times or more, just accidently poking around their nest, and several were still chasing him a couple hundred feet away to where I was working on a tractor- and I -always- have a can of ether handy, so I was going at them like an anti aircraft video game. I would hit them directly, not with just mist, but soak them with high pressured starting fluid, and they would not give up. I think he got stung a couple more times as I was drowning them with the stuff. I never saw a bee attack like that, ever. I want to get to the hive tonight if it is cold enough, but I was thinking I should call the dept of ag or health dept? cause this sounds like a small gang of the bees you see on the discovery channel.
If Lyle wants a taste of a warmer climate... and Mass isn't ever considered 'south' to Canadians. But this nasty #$%^&*! bug attitude is suppose to be - not this far north either....
 
not that far north that I know of, but if your ordering queens from southern suppliers you could get an agressive one. our state aparists suggesting getting local or northern queens to hopefully avoid that. You may have to requeen to get better behavior
 
If that far north no they are not bees but most likely a type of wasp. As for a hive where is it?? If in the ground again no likely to be a bee. Last I heard the type of bees your asking about had not gotten to Missouri let alone up there farm. Almost bet they are yellow jackets and they will go after you a few hundred feet and yellow jackets are a smallest type of wasp about the size of a bee but NOT a bee
 
I was pushing up a brush pile a year ago in northern Ma and the yellow jackets had a nest in the old pile. I jumped off the dozer and ran half way across the 4 acre field but they still nailed me about 8 times. Otherwise i have mostly wasp nests on my barn and house.
 
yeah - yellow jackets can get real nasty. (I'm in MA)

I remember as a kid we'd always come across at least one or two really big nests every summer - and we'd do what you have to do when you find a really big bees nest - we'd throw rocks and sticks at it.

Several times I remember being very surprised at how far and long those things would chase us.

You'd run a mile into the safety of your house and they'd still be stuck all over your clothing stinging away.

Took several years to finally learn the lesson that it's just not a good idea to throw rocks at bees nests.
 
If they really were honey bees then they're probably just testy due to the time of the year.

When there isn't a lot of forage they tend to batten down the hatches and defend the fort. We call this a dearth.

I've been stung by mine for nothing more then driving by (30 feet away) with the mower this time of the year.

You're to far north for the Americanized buggers.

K
 
Mark, this is not from a - box hive? closest one where someone buys these miserable things is over half mile away. So if that's where they came from, there must have been a family dispute or something- or as Old says, they were a yellowjacket- big huge ruthless yellowjackets that are not affected by a facefull of starter fluid. I think only one actually died, I went out to find it, gone, a bird must be staggering back to the nest with that pickled lunch in him. I couldn't find the hive, nest, or even a hole in the dirt where my father was working, mind you it is still warm out tonight, and I really didn't get on my hands and knees to pick a fight. Tomorrow I will sit down in that area awhile and watch where they come in and out. Then I will have to post for ideas how to deal with these little !@#$%^&*
What puzzles me is the are little yellowjackets living in a paper bag with winter rye seed in a shed- I walk past them 20 30 times a day, they fly into me often, one got inside my glasses and didnt sting, hey they didn't like a 28" tube I left inflated and rolled near the bag, they didn't like that thing at all, but I just never saw an -'insect' chase and sting and just not give up in a toxic spray like the ones today, just seemed more like a sci fi movie than peed off bugs.
 
if ground dwellers nest can be found, wait til dusk, dump pint or so of gas in hole, they will be done. Had that at garage entrance, couldnt find nest. Dog found it for me :(
 
nope...that wasnt killer bees...i was cleaning up the old homestead on Galveston Island and backed into a upside down clawfoot bath tub they had a hive in...i got hit a couple hundred times before i got the tractor into high gear and got away...few hours later a friend of mine and i went back over there to look for my glasses that i knocked off while swatting bees...another one came up and stung my ear...come to find out they leave a pherome [scent] when they sting for the others to follow...if you ever see true killer bees,it looks like a black cloud coming at you.
 
BC, yeah, as I went back looking for a dead one, there was a live one buzzing a part of the path he took coming to me, I thought that was odd. THe @#$%^&* don't airlift their own dead and wounded do they???? That would be sci fi. So you were attacked by the certified Africanized bees huh? Wow, lucky you! A couple dozen around him and them onto me was freaky enough.
Old Roy, that is an interesting, depressing video. The government wants to keep brainy bad guys across the planet from hurting us here, and in 30 years, they can't control a violent insect. But, in 10 years, they didn't go any farther up California, you got to think maybe their straight laced ag inspectors are earning their paycheck?
To all the others, thanks for the input, and sorry for your adventures, but thinking that 2 or 3 dozen yesterday was crazy enough, those real killer bees must be a true nightmare. Where is all the scientist to breed this attitude out of them so's they only act like my family's fight, insted of a fight for your life like BC's? Too bad we need the little @#$%^&* to survive... lucky for them eh??
 
I'm surprised no one asked, was the stinger left behind, you'll know immediately, barbed, curved honeybee stingers stay behind with the pumping mechanism attached as well as the innards of the bee, which dies from it, the wasp's can sting unlimited numbers of times.

I had a friend who kept bees, was doing some work around his house and he had been fooling with the nest, he damaged a queen and the hive was upset, he had ordered another queen with a few workers in a little wooden screened box, and introduced them to the hive, took awhile for them to accept. Until then these honeybees flew around like mosquitoes, gnats, and or blackflies do, they bumble around you briefly, then sting, I got nailed so many times, over the course of a day, I finally said enough, wait til this runs its course before I come back.

Sometimes I have been stung by various species of wasps, out of nowhere, but stung 1x only, once there were brown wasps in this hole on the side of the dozer blade, if you walked by 20 feet away, you were likely to get nailed, they were odd, because those are not aggressive like most until you disturb them, or they deem you a threat for some reason, again which usually means you have disturbed them first.

I find that all the wasps around here, usually do not care, until you mess with them, I often times work in close proximity to small-medium size brown or yellow paper, (those that make those nests with all the little cells for the larvae) until its either convenient or necessary to kill them usually because the nest poses a risk to others whom may not know they are there. YOu can tell what they do and how close you can get, just watch them, they are watching you, they're just not that aggressive when undisturbed.

I have like most kids and into adult life disturbed them on purpose to see what they do. White faced hornets, brown wasps, and all of the yellow jacket, yellow wasps, when disturbed, but cannot ID or find what jarred the nest, fly around in an erratic fashion, soon after things go back to normal. Don't try it at home folks !!!! I have no fear of disturbing any of these nests from a certain distance, they just cannot figure it out if you jar the nest, not damage it, cause damage and they are likely to be highly agitated, go near it during that time and you are highly likely to get nailed.

White faced hornets are no joke, they leave a sentry out at night, they will swarm and attack at night, and if they tag you as the threat when agitated you are in for a world of hurt, but it takes all of that to create a situation like that, you quietly go near the nest, they fly in a straight line and if you stand in their way, they just go around you, you can stand next to the nest they do not care. I was clearing brush with an open station tractor, my 850 ford, came upon a huge nest of these at about face level in a bush I was going around a little too big to take down, I was right up near it, never saw them, they never bothered me, if I had hit the trunk of that bush and shook or vibrated it, I'd have been done, just the same, don't ever take them for granted, and I do believe once in awhile some are more aggressive than others, maybe agitated for some unknown reason and you happen to be close in proximity.

Brown wasps, are not as aggressive, but you get them at the right time of year, bump a nest and if one of them ID's you, (however they do it is amazing) it will follow you like an F16 to a certain point and return to the nest I have pushed these little (well they're not really little) buggers to the test, repeatedly, they fly with that tail curved under towards the target, if he lands on you, instant sting, I still have very fast reflexes, thought those fade as you age, but I have brushed them off just in time, getting a slight sting, other times out run them, its basically what they do. Yesterday I was working with a nest hidden in my tractor, near my face, had been working on it the past few afternoons, they could care less, the bad thing was not knowing they were there, and accidentally disturbing them.

Last year about this time, rider was grazing a horse outside the barn, horse got stung, was believed to be a ground nest. Whitefaced hornets, and ground ( yellow jackets ? they are yellow ones in the ground here) wasps are just not plentiful, you do not see these nests often. Hmmmm, I suspect something else, crack open the cover on the manure spreader, and there is a huge yellow jacket nest, was cool out the next morning. Well ya fools, I can seen no one has been in that gearbox cover, oiling that chain and lubing the ratchet gear, I used to service this N.I. spreader myself regularly, every chain, fitting and bearing, people just don't get it, and that nest is telling you something, take care of the spreader !!


The ground wasps are usually small, if you place a cover over the hole, they will find a away around it, I have walked upon these and got nailed, but never swarmed or overwhelmed, just get away from them and its fine. I did hit a ground nest a long time ago while clearing a large area with a dozer, they were a larger wasp. I did not panic, stayed in the seat, watched them for a bit, engine running, they could not figure it out, open station with ROPS, then moved away, came back to that spot later to finish, some were still around but just they just never tagged me, maybe the dozer, but not me with that pheromone which is what sets them off and others to follow.

Bumble bees, are around, but I have not seen a full size or mature nest of those in a very long time, they seem to live in the ground or under debris, did find a new nest starting, was this ball of stuff, made sure to get rid of that, those hurt like heck, had one between my shirtless back and the seat while running a tractor trailer, had just dropped off a machine, getting stung while trying to downshift, slow down, stop and bail out of the cab, talk about distracted driving, still kept 'er straight and on the road, just a quick stop to jump out LOL !!!

We have tons of yellow paper wasps at the other place, everywhere, in and around the barns and anything and I mean anything that sits, you check first before touching anything. These nests get large and it seems that with these kinds of wasps, the larger the nest the more aggressive, here at home its rare they get this big, 30 miles north, forget it. Get them early, they still rebuild, most times here once a small nest is started you got them, kill 1x at the right time. If you let the nests get big, can be a different story and if you spray them while large, hot weather when they are active, there will be some still out, those surviving will come back and stay awhile aggressively stinging anything that comes near, or at least harass you, we have to plan when to kill nests because we have riders and students around, so if you see a large nest, and its close enough to be a concern, you are better off leaving it be until its safe to kill or just warn people about it, because its worse when they are agitated vs left alone.

At home I try to leave them alone where possible, they do eat insects and theres a whole bunch of other smaller or obscure species that do more good than harm like the wasp that uses tomato hornworms as a host for larvae and kills them.

I had a tree stand with honey bees several feet above me, never an issue with them.

Some of my experiences with the local wasps and bees, always use care, and show respect because of what they can do, but sometime there are anomalies for aggression, for the most part in this area, none are highly aggressive from what I have seen unless you disturb them.
 
I looked at the map posted below. It is dated 2009. I believe it was 2011 that a swarm was reported in southwest Louisiana. Haven"t heard a word since.
 
Was glad they had departed before I found this nest in my shed!!! Was all one piece, but I tore it up pulling it out from under work bench.
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Boy Bill, your list of New York state bees was giving me flashbacks! I used to get stung by sweet innocent bumble bees in a stack of lumber- everytime I needed a board, I figured I would suffer for it. Everytime we were up a ladder, painting or something by the eaves, you were sure to get buzzed by mud wasps. And they always found their way into the house by October. Massachusetts bugs have more respect for private property?
We were looking for stingers every spot he said hurt, no guts, no dark needle, so guess they weren't honey breeds. Had to be yellow jacks. I think I spotted the hive a little while ago. An old cinderblock is where they dissapear into, we'll see next cool night.
What really got me was the horror movie way they didn't even let up when whacked backwards with starting fluid. Even New York bees would back off from getting sprayed, not these guys yesterday.
 
Something about those bumble bees, the ones that bore into pine, we used to have them in soffit boards on the house when I was a kid and around the barns, I've heard these also have another name, they look the same as what I have always thought to be a bumble bee. I swear, I should have done something different for a career, even today I try to learn as much as possible about the indigenous wildlife, insects or what have you. The bees and wasps sure do act in a manner unique to their surroundings, like they are 30 miles north at the other place, those yellow jacket/paper wasps if that is the correct name for them are incredible, they totally outnumber the brown wasps, which there used to be mostly those here, but now both. I have not seen another whitefaced hornets nest this year, have been discovering about one nest per year, between both places.

My father used to use starting fluid, and I think it was whatever was convenient, I've used it, but I find that anything that evaporates quickly, may not kill them, maybe the larvae in the nest, but if any survive, they will go right back to the nest once dry. They can take a fair amount of that in the open air, it evaporates too fast, its just not a good thing to use in the open, but find nest in a pipe or enclosed space, plug one end spray starting fluid, cap the other end or light em up if its safe to do that, starting fluid, carb cleaner and a myriad of other substances similar will work.

It sounds as if someone entered an area where they were disturbed, those that return or linger can be nasty, totally aggressive, or various stages less than that, from what I have seen, always yellow ones, paper wasps, yellow jackets or the like, the brown ones do not, at first they might linger, get back to the nest, they get the point quick and do not linger the next few days.

He must have got tagged and had pheromone(Sp?) on him to get nailed that many times and or have them so agitated. Its been a long while since I've got nailed (knock on wood) but when I was a kid, was always accidentally disturbing a nest or playing around that old D7 Caterpillar, which would get loaded with wasps, once we got away and a good friend, (was pre-school days)whom I still joke with about, "You saved my life!!!" Still have the D7 too. It was a regular occurrence, 5th birthday, stepped on a nest in an old JD ground driven spreader, got nailed in or near the eye, ER visit and drugs put me out til late that night or next day, girl who worked on the farm, was taking me for a walk, will never forget that one, had to get over my fear of them and sure did, they don't bother me.

Hope you get them the worst is if someone is allergic, that can be trouble in a hurry.
 

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