Anyone Ever Had Their House Burn Down?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/25/nyregion/2-firefighters-killed-in-western-new-york.html?hp&_r=0


Published: December 24, 2012

Four firefighters were shot — two fatally — after responding to an early morning blaze on Monday in Webster, N.Y., about 12 miles northeast of Rochester, officials said.
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The suspected assailant also died at the scene, the Webster police chief, Gerald L. Pickering said, though it was unclear if he was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot or by the authorities.

“It does appear that it was a trap that was set,” Chief Pickering said of the blaze that drew the firefighters. “Causative reasons, we don’t have at this time.”

One of the firefighters was “able to flee the scene on his own,'’ he added. “The other three were pinned down at the location.”

Strong Memorial Hospital in Rochester said two firefighters were in “guarded condition.” The two others died at the scene, Chief Pickering said.

The firefighters were from the West Webster Fire Department, about four miles from the blaze, and were believed to be volunteers.

As he recited the names of the four firefighters at a news conference on Monday morning, Chief Pickering repeatedly choked up. One of the deceased, Michael J. Chiapperini, was a police lieutenant in the Webster Police Department.

“These people get up in the middle of the night to go put out fires,” he said. “They don’t expect to be shot and killed.”

An off-duty police officer from Greece, N.Y., who happened to be driving by and stopped to help suffered shrapnel wounds from the shooting, Chief Pickering added.

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said that the State Police and the Office of Emergency Management were working with local officials. He said that Webster firefighters and the police had initially responded to a car fire.

“New York’s first responders are true heroes as they time and again selflessly rush toward danger in order to keep our families and communities safe,” Mr. Cuomo said. “Volunteer firefighters and police officers were injured and two were taken from us as they once again answered the call of duty. We as the community of New York mourn their loss as now two more families must spend the holidays without their loved ones.”

The fire continued to burn through the morning, having spread to several homes. Four homes were fully engulfed and destroyed, and 33 area residents were evacuated, Chief Pickering said.

He added that, with authorities establishing and investigating the crime scene, “it took a while to make it safe” for firefighters to move in and combat the flames.

The site of the fire, Lake Road, runs along a narrow spit of land that divides Lake Ontario from Irondequoit Bay. The houses in the affected area are detached wood frame homes with yards, across the street from the lake.

Chief Pickering likened the area to “a little vacation nest.”

“We have very few calls for service in that location,” he said.

Michael D’Amico, a contractor who has lived on Lake Road for 20 years, said that residents were evacuated to a school. “We still can’t go back,” he said.

The area is home to many summer houses, he said, but some people lived there year-round.

“A lot of times I get woken up by gunfire, but I don’t think too much of it,” Mr. D’Amico said, noting that the area often attracted duck hunters.

“Usually the gunfire comes from the lake or the bay,” he added. “This was from further down the road.”

Vince DiPrima, an assistant manager at Bill Gray’s, a diner across the bridge from the fires, said some firefighters had visited his restaurant on Monday morning. He gave them some coffee.

“The stuff that happened in Connecticut the other day, and then this,” Mr. DiPrima said.

By noon, State Police helicopters swarmed overhead. Emergency vehicles zipped past.

“It’s a weird feeling,” Mr. DiPrima said. “It’s Christmas Eve.”

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Dec 24, 2012 at 3:10 pm

The Webster, New York man who fired on firefighters responding to a blaze, killing two, is a felon convicted of manslaughter, according to local police. Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering told a press conference this morning that the suspect was William Spengler, who served roughly 18 years on manslaughter charges for killing his 92 year old grandmother. Spengler had a number of run-ins with the police after that, according to Pickering.

[color=red:9d49f9a463]Because Spengler was convicted a felon, he was supposed to be legally barred from owning a gun. However, because of the so-called “gun show loophole” — a National Rifle Assocation (NRA) supported-policy that allows “private” gun sales to take place without background checks — it’s possible Spengler could have purchased his weapon without the seller even checking whether he could legally own a gun or had a history of violence. Guns bought in this manner are used in 80 percent of violent firearm crimes across the country. Moreover, it’s very easy, as a consequence of another set of NRA-supported changes to federal law, for some felons to get their right to own guns reinstated.[/color:9d49f9a463]

When asked about the nature of Spengler’s murderous assault on the firefighters, Pickering said that, from what they could tell so far, “it was a trap.”

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(quoted from post at 17:09:06 12/24/12)

Dec 24, 2012 at 3:10 pm

The Webster, New York man who fired on firefighters responding to a blaze, killing two, is a felon convicted of manslaughter, according to local police. Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering told a press conference this morning that the suspect was William Spengler, who served roughly 18 years on manslaughter charges for killing his 92 year old grandmother. Spengler had a number of run-ins with the police after that, according to Pickering.

[color=red:2969667cdf]Because Spengler was convicted a felon, he was supposed to be legally barred from owning a gun. However, because of the so-called “gun show loophole” — a National Rifle Assocation (NRA) supported-policy that allows “private” gun sales to take place without background checks — it’s possible Spengler could have purchased his weapon without the seller even checking whether he could legally own a gun or had a history of violence. Guns bought in this manner are used in 80 percent of violent firearm crimes across the country. Moreover, it’s very easy, as a consequence of another set of NRA-supported changes to federal law, for some felons to get their right to own guns reinstated.[/color:2969667cdf]

When asked about the nature of Spengler’s murderous assault on the firefighters, Pickering said that, from what they could tell so far, “it was a trap.”

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Ahhhhhhhhh, another writer (they're not journalists anymore as far as I'm concerned) throwing conjecture and possibly personal opinion into a story instead of just reporting the facts. :shock: :x

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(quoted from post at 20:44:16 12/24/12) First..none of you have really answered the question.

Lets be a bit hypothetical. You are known in he county as an eccentric, multiple gun owner, with strong anti governemt feelings. Your house catches on fire and your 3 kids and aged mother are inside.

The fire fighters are fearful and people die in the fire as firefighters (volunteers) hesitate.

Oldtanker says we have a right to lock you up 'cause you are crazy (and take away all your freedoms) ..but you say you have a right to your guns freedoms ..second Amd.

Hummmm. Government does not have the right to stop you from buying guns but does have the right to lock you away forever?

An interesting bit of logic.

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(quoted from post at 20:44:16 12/24/12) First..none of you have really answered the question.

Lets be a bit hypothetical. You are known in he county as an eccentric, multiple gun owner, with strong anti governemt feelings. Your house catches on fire and your 3 kids and aged mother are inside.

The fire fighters are fearful and people die in the fire as firefighters (volunteers) hesitate.

Oldtanker says we have a right to lock you up 'cause you are crazy (and take away all your freedoms) ..but you say you have a right to your guns freedoms ..second Amd.

Hummmm. Government does not have the right to stop you from buying guns but does have the right to lock you away forever?

An interesting bit of logic.

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(quoted from post at 07:45:36 12/25/12) Gee I thought the constitution gave me the right to my own, even differing, opinion.

Sorry I interupted your convoluted rant.

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