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I'm a little frustrated this evening, I understand that a dealer needs to make money to cover their overhead just like the rest of us. I was interested in trading planters to go to a bulk fill with liquid fert mainly to band fert instead of my 7000 Deere. 6 row planter, not a lot of $$ but enough to mean something. I wanted to trade my Deere, it has 240 acres on all new openers and scrapers and several closing wheels complete with bearings. It also has yetter row cleaners and coulters. The planter has less than 500 acres on rebuilt corn meters, they offered me 1000 for it.... Then asked me if I was serious about dealing after I drove an hour to look at the planter....I was a little taken off guard it ticked me off so much. This is the second time in a week I have had a similar experience trying to deal with a "mega" dealer, 2 different dealers. These guys blow off their customers unless someone is looking to drop 50k.... That said I did have a very pleasant experience with another dealer on a swather that also lead to purchase on a late model baler. Do these guys not plan for the future?? Thoughts?
 
It seems at times, there are so few customers left, they have to stick everyone of the customers left for at least $5,000 on every sale to support their style of living....
 
I didn't even try to trade for that loader tractor I bought today. They had so many used tractors on the lot it looked like Archbold used to. I didn't want to burden them with saying they didn't need it.
I sent some pictures of the old one to Worthington a few weeks ago to see what they'd give me for it for a parts donor without the loader. I overhauled the motor and put a new clutch,throw out bearing and pilot bearing in it two years ago. The rear tires are about 80%. They offered me $750. It would crush for more than that and I could sell the tires seperate.
 
I used to know a few salesman who worked for dealers back in the 80's. At that time they said they had to make $500 on each piece they took in. $5000 is quite a rate of inflation!
 
Did you tell him that you were serious but evedently he wasn't!!! Email me exactly what you are looking for and I will ask around this kneck of the woods. $1000, surely he pulling your leg..
 
Do these jerks think we are so dumb that we do not know what tires and batteries cost? I am going to start advertising everything on this website and craigs list. To he11 with these non working SOBs making a living off my back.....
Pass the savings on to people that are working for a living and constantly striving to better themselves!!!!
 
(quoted from post at 17:31:42 02/06/13) I'm a little frustrated this evening, I understand that a dealer needs to make money to cover their overhead just like the rest of us. I was interested in trading planters to go to a bulk fill with liquid fert mainly to band fert instead of my 7000 Deere. 6 row planter, not a lot of $$ but enough to mean something. I wanted to trade my Deere, it has 240 acres on all new openers and scrapers and several closing wheels complete with bearings. It also has yetter row cleaners and coulters. The planter has less than 500 acres on rebuilt corn meters, they offered me 1000 for it.... Then asked me if I was serious about dealing after I drove an hour to look at the planter....I was a little taken off guard it ticked me off so much. This is the second time in a week I have had a similar experience trying to deal with a "mega" dealer, 2 different dealers. These guys blow off their customers unless someone is looking to drop 50k.... That said I did have a very pleasant experience with another dealer on a swather that also lead to purchase on a late model baler. Do these guys not plan for the future?? Thoughts?
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Those early 6 rows aren't worth much nowdays nomatter what shape. I'd traded my old 7000 6r for a 12r 7100 quite a few years ago set up close to yours and with the band spray set up and the good orthman markers and only got $2000. I was going to trade it off this year for a 1720 but had the adjusta rate 2 brain box died on it last year and I figured since I put so much in it last season I just as well put the new true v's on it and run it another season. I'm figuring this year I'll get around $3000 to $4000 on trade and it's got all the bells and whistles for it's time. The old finger pickups still work well but the 6 row stuff on 36" just seems to be going the way of 4 row stuff. 6 row 30" is not really bringing much around here either.
 
Erik, What model of planter are you looking for? The dealer I work for trades in them older planters and I'm sorry to say this but almost every one goes to Mexico. Those 7000 's are great planters and should stay up here but they will buy anything, I would have loved to buy a 1 owner 4 row 38" that was like new but the Mexicans bought it first. We also sell alot of 7200's to a broker who takes them apart and loads shipping containers full and sends them to a guy in Russia who puts them together and sells them over there. It is a shame those are good planters. $1,000 is not alot for trade in tho. I will keep a look out for a planter up here if you would like.

Zach
 

That's my thinking too, I put almost a 1000 worth of parts in this thing last year, I'll just add fert to it if nothing else and keep running it. The principle is not the money, it is the attitude. Ask me if I'm serious after I drove an hour to look at the implement? I have better things to do than sit in the lobby and yak like the 5 salesmen were doing when I walked in. The other deal was on a 14k loader tractor, not huge to them but I didn't even get a call back after I talked with the man and told him I wanted the tractor and took time to send him pics of what I wanted to trade. If no is the answer, fine, just say it! It's courtesy.
 
Last year at an auction I saw several decent planters sell in the $1,000 to $1,500 range.

Face it, with better income most farmers are wanting to trade up to something much newer. There is a market for what you have, but it is shrinking.

I am in a similar spot with a 1989 planter. It works fine but needs new cutters for this year and a few odds and ends. Once again the parts will cost more than the value of the whole planter so I'll fix it and maybe run it one more cycle of wear and then maybe dispose of it...

Sadly sometimes I get better service from salesmen a hundred miles from home than I get from my local dealers. I rarely bother my local guys so it's not like I pester them and never buy anything.
 
I hear ya. The green guys and the red guys here are a 1/4 mile away from each other and more than once I've made mention to them that I'll go to the competition if they don't get serious. Jones machinery in Smith Center seemed o.k. to deal with last spring for me. I drove down and bought a sprayer from him and he was willing to barter well. He is an independent fellow...no dealership ties. If you're close he may be willing to work with you. Her's a link to his stuff.http://www.jonesmachineryinc.com/listings.asp
 
I was at a consignment auction saterday and watched a newer case ih 12 row planter sell for around $2800. If it had markers I'd have bid on that thing but I'm guessing someone protected it.
 
Local JD dealer with several stores told me if you don't farm at least 1000 acres they don't want to mess with you.
 
Sell that planter on-line or advertise it on "The Site Which Shall Not Be Named". There are people looking for that type of planter and are willing to pay a lot more than you can get on a trade.
 
If you have or know of any six row JD or Kinze planters that are field ready send them to MN. If they are only worth 1-2,000 dollars I will buy all the planters you can send me.
 
You think I'm kidding you? That's what they go for around here localy on sales all day long. It doesn't matter if they are poor or good shape. Been that way for several years.
 
Here in NWIA that's about all a dealer would offer for your planter. It's sad that such a good planter isn't worth any more than that but six rows isn't all that big anymore. It's like comparing a two row to a four row fifty years ago. I traded my 7000 six row for a 7200 twelve row three years ago and the dealer offered me $1500 for it. What burned me was my six row wasn't on his lot for more than two days and it was sold. Jim
 
DO NOT EVER TRADE ANYTHING IN AT A DEALER. You can usually get two to three times the dealer trade value in cash by selling it locally through a classified site or in the paper. Dealerships don't give "deals".
 
First off I would sell that type of planter myself and buy what you are looking for straight out. Your planter is a cheap enought piece that many guys can buy it without needing any financing. The higher dollar items I may consider trading but the under $10 K stuff, sell yourself. You can sell it for retail and bargain real hard on buying the one you want straight out.

Your planter is a $4-5 K planter here. In Kansas it very well could be worth less. How many guys are using six row equipment there??? When I was still at the dealership, over 7 years ago, I bought a lot of six row planters off of dealers in Nebraska and Kansas. They would wholesale them to me as they just did not have a market for that small of a planter. The 12 x 30 was the hot item then. I now have dealer friends that tell me that there are areas that 12 x 30 is not selling as good. The 16 and 24 row are the best sellers.

As for asking you if you where real serious about the planter. The salesman could have been really handling a customer in a poor way. He may have meant if you where serious he would then need to really look at your planter to give you a better idea of the trade difference. A JD 7000 corn planter could be 40 years old or as new as 25 years old. I have seen them that where not worth $1000 and others that where worth $10,000, for a 6 x 30.

So I would buy the planter you want. Really squeeze the deal down to the last nickle. That way you know you have a planter for spring. Then aggressively market yours. I know you may have to borrow the extra $4 or 5 K but you should be able to do that for 90 days for a reasonable cost. I would not sell yours first and then go look this close to spring. You may not be able to find a planter to buy back by spring equipped like you want it.

Truthfully you are 6-8 months late to be trading on a corn planter. The new ones would all have been ordered last July and August. The lead time on equipment is way longer than right before the season anymore. Used planter prices are at the high price for the year already. I bought four planters to resell. The last one was in November. They had already gone up by December.
 
I did read in a farm magazine that "Machinery Pete" had been seeing very nice 6 row planters bringing very good money on some auctions. I don't know if you could even order a new 6 row. I know when I talked to a dealer last year, he could order an 8 row, but couldn't remember the last one he ordered. 12, 16, 24+..............
 
I'm not locked into the need for a planter. I have gone to no till the last 2 years and it is working very well. I need a planter to put fert down with or a bar. I can also hire my N applied, I prefer to do my own work my way on my time. I know this planter and I think this experience has pushed me toward an applicator. At the very least I will add fert to this planter. It is not the trade allowance that offended me, it is the general attitude that a man who can't drop big money at their feet is not worth their time. Things change, including my equipment needs and when the time comes for more equipment down the road I know where I will deal and where I will not based on these experiences.
 
I guess I will consider myself fortunate then. I got more than I could have hoped for on trading my 7000 6 row for a 1750 planter recently. More demand here in the Northeast for a planter like my old one certainly helps.
 

Erik,
Sorry to hear about your experience with your planter. Up here in Minnesota, that 6 row would easily bring $4000-$5000 or more. People are paying high prices for these planters. A lot of BTO up here can't get in there "small" fields anymore with there humungous planters now days. So the 4-6 rows are really starting to climb in value. I have been looking for a 4-6 row in the $1000.00 range, but I know that won't happen unless the planter is junk. Best of luck to you anyway.
Kow Farmer (Kurt)
 
Trading anything in seems to be a pretty bad
mistake. Granted if you sell it yourself you'll
have to advertise and answer some phone calls, but
that's worth several k to me. Buy the other
planter with cash, twist their tail as hard as you
can on the price and walk away. That way they can
yak all they want and more of your money is still
in your pocket.
 
You have inspected the dealer's planter, has the dealer had a chance to inspect your trade-in yet? Before you negotiate, invite the saleman out to your shed to look over your old planter and also for him to verify how well you care for your other equipment.

If I asked a strange salesman to instantly price a trade-in sight-unseen, I can only expect about what he can get if he has to "dispose of it" rather than sell it on his lot. That might be something a little above scrap price and much less than consignment auction price after auctioneer's fees.

Maybe when the salesman asked "Are you were serious about dealing (today)" he was saying "Are you seriously asking me to bid on a pig-in-a-poke"?

Just like vehicles, if my trade-in is in good condition I can get much more by selling it privately than from a trade-in.

Also, if the dealer already has six items in the back row just like my trade-in it's a dead give away that he will not want a seventh.
 
I'm Kow's neighbor, I've been looking for that planter around here and willing to spend $7500.

Can't get one for that.

It's gone nuts around here for those 6 row planters.

Drove down to near Rochester MN a couple weeks ago, the thing was shot, rusty everything, depth wheels wobbled all over, and it went $6400, no row cleaners.....

Still looking..... Eric, if you find a truck coming up this way, give a hollar, think you could come out alright!

--->Paul
 
Oh I forgot the funny part, small dealer 1/2 way to the auction had a 6 row planter listed for $9500, saw it on the way but I was running behind, coming back home pulled into the lot, and it was gone! Moved that day.

--->Paul
 
I saw 2 7200 vac 6-30 planters bring 9000 & 9700 on a sale in NE MO right before christmas and 7000 6-30's bring $3-5000 around my place. With smaller fields and bigger planters a lot of guys here are really running up 6-30 and folding 8-30 planters. Wide row planters are the only light seller here and they aren't too soft because they get butchered up into splitter bars and food plot planters.
 
Yeah, they have 6 and 4 row planters listed on JD"s site. They have both pull and 3 pt. 4 row 30" corn planters even.
 
I assume you're saying a "bulk fill" center seed fill? One thing to consider is the "pinch row" compaction/seed depth effect under the center bulk fill rows. Both Precision Planting and Becks Hybrids have done studies and have found a major difference in yield between center rows and wings. My friend is an Engineer + Farmer + Precision Planting tech/dealer (stays busy!) and he told me they had found in some Illinois studies as much as 260bu on the wings vs. 180 on the center. Centers tend to go too deep in some instances while outers want to lift up, plus center is rolling around with all that weight which isn't spread evenly like a traditional planter.
 
I don't think you are kidding and I'm not either. I'll take any of those 1,000 dollar six row planters you can send me. Here is a link to an online sale with a 7200 six row. You can decide for yourself what they are worth.
 
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