No busted shoulders.

I figured since most on here some people were complaining about recoil on the 300 win mag,against -06. Seems some one took the time to test it out scientifically to figure out how much is produced.
Here is an excerp fro the list showing the -06 and 300 win mag .
Rifle weight recoil energy.. recoil velocity
.30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910) 8.0 17.6 11.9
.30-06 Spfd. (165 at 2900) 8.0 20.1 12.7
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8
.300 Rem. SAUM (180 at 2960) 8.25 23.5 13.6
.300 WSM (150 at 3300) 8.25 22.5 13.3
.300 WSM (180 at 2970) 7.25 27.1 15.5
.300 WSM (180 at 2970) 8.25 23.8 13.6
.308 Norma Mag. (180 at 3000) 8.5 25.9 14.0
.300 Win. Mag. (150 at 3320) 8.5 23.5 13.3
.300 Win. Mag. (165 at 3110) 8.0 26.2 14.5
.300 Win. Mag. (180 at 2960) 8.5 25.9 14.0

You are talking about a whole bone jarring difference of 5 lbs recoil energy and a whopping 1.2 lbs of recoil velocity.

So that is all the difference is. Tired of hearing crying about how much recoil is on the 300 win mag. So people flinching is all in the persons head of the BAD RECOIL the 300 has. If that is their problem I'm sure their accuracy suffers drastically,so shot placement also suffers drastically.For us this is not a problem,and will continue to use what I'm more accurate with and able to dispatch the animal humanely with.

Oh by the way we have a doe feeding in our front yard, still the tracks make poor soup, as we don't shoot em when they are in our yard feeding.

LOU

May only be 5 lbs more but that is 30% more than the 06.

I own neither so I wouldn"t know the pain of each. I only shot a 300 once back in 74.

I do own a 22-250 and that is enough kick for me.

Gary

My bud had a 300 Weatherby that you felt.

I don't have a whole lot of experience with different guns, but I have noticed some guns have quicker recoil than others. Two different guns might recoil same amount of poundage but one reaches that certain poundage quicker than the other. The quicker recoil is more jarring. Jim

I shoot the 30-06 and it kicks plenty enough for me. Lets me know that titanium plate is still in my neck...ouch, but it gets the job done really well. I have an old 303 that my father had that has been "sporterized" which means cut down. It kicks like a dang mule.

A whole lot of factors come into play as to how recoil if felt. I have 2 rifles in the 7.62X54 and one does in fact seem to kick harder then the other but then one is about 4 lbs heavier then the other. Inertia the round it self and how it is loaded etc etc etc all play a part in things.

I just shot two large does tonight with my 06,and I have never felt the recoil

jimmy

Old,
Sure alot of factors can come into play, such as reloaded ammo, recoil pad condition (new vs older)Thickness of recoil pad if any,
Both using factory loads, recoil would be no different than being hit with a basketball being pushed 2 feet from your shoulder,same amount of energy from back pressure.

The complaints come from most who never fired a 300,but heard alot of war stories from friends of friends that heard it from the other guy.

My Son fired the 300 many times at age 11-12-13-14 years of age during gun season and range time,no bruising or complaints of hurt..Seems to me that most people who put down the 300 recoil has never fired one.

This is my Sons 480 Ruger handgun pistol with reloaded ammo, not factory.
Bullet weight in grains 325
Velocity in fps 1200
Powder charge in grains 21.7
Weight of firearm in lbs 3.5

Recoil Impulse in (lbs sec) 2.12
Velocity of recoiling firearm (fps) 19.18
Free recoil energy in (ft/lbs) 20.62


This is for a 44 Mag


Bullet weight in grains 240
Velocity in fps 1200
Powder charge in grains 22.1
Weight of firearm in lbs 3.5

Recoil Impulse in (lbs sec) 1.67
Velocity of recoiling firearm (fps) 15.36
Free recoil energy in (ft/lbs) 12.83

This is also hand loaded ammo,not factory.
As you can see it is also very close as to that amount of recoil for the 480 Ruger,imagine if it was maxed out on powder weight it would match the 300 data very close if not over the recoil data.
Saying it feels heavier is a perceived suggestion,not actual measurement.

If you are speaking in actual factory rounds,it also varies from manufacturer to manufacturer, The recoil on an -06 difference is minuscule compared to the 300 Win Mag. We have both -06 and 300 rifles to us there is very little difference with factory rounds.
As you can see in the photo, the -06 has no recoil pad and the 300 has about a 3/4" recoil pad attached.
It's just some people have to argue with facts.
LOU

I left this out of the answer to old, but here is another statement from another handloader on 220 grain bullets for the 300 Win Mag.

"220gr SP 64.0 gr Reloader 22 Unknown CCI LRM guest
Generic Hornady 220 grain bullet, very accurate, 180 grain load sighted at 3 inches high @ 100 yards, this load is dead on at 100. This load looks B.A.D. Have not used it on flesh yet. I usually like heavy bullets, it doesn’t make sense to me to shoot 150 grainers in a 300 mag."

link is to the source on internet at the bottom for 220 grain bullet.

Here is the calculator you can put in your type bullet,weight of firearm etc. to find out the recoil


http://handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp

LOU
poke here.

fixerupper,
The minute you pull the trigger the recoil is instant,not delayed or quicker. What you are describing is felt recoil recorded by each individuals brain differently to each person. Clothing (padding) that you wear makes a difference, can determine the amount of percieved pain from any individual with or without recoil pad. Look at my pictures of the rifles the -06 has no pad,just a metal butt plate that radiates recoil harder than the 300,but still bearable to me.

This is a statement on the calculator site I told Old about it describes it better than I can.

"The numbers calculated here do not relate to "felt recoil". Felt recoil is different for each person, what is excessive for me might not be for you and vice versa. Due to the extreme possible variations in firearm design, grip design and people it will not give you a direct correlation from one firearm to another, for example a Smith and Wesson M29 with stock grips is going to have a far different felt recoil than a ported Ruger Super Redhawk using the same load. It will however give you a good idea how one load will feel compared to another in the same or similar firearm."

Lou&Victor

I'll agree with you the chart gives a person a general idea of what to expect. Maybe I was being too picky, kind of like a person saying "yabut" to every statement a person makes. I also tend to forget that some people don't know the kick from a 30-06 is a whole lot different than the kick from a .22 because all they've owned is a .22. That's where the chart comes in handy.

My granddad had a 30-40 Krag from WW1 that I shot a few times in my younger days when I could still find ammo for it. I thought that thing kicked harder than anything I had shot at the time. It was a heavy gun that I would hate to lug around for long. My dad went and sold it to a collector. GRRR. Jim

fixerupper,
Thanks for the reply, I know about older guns,ie 38-55 Kraig octagon barrel, 410 pistol, first of the 357 mag handgun single action,and a few more that escape my memory at this time.Oh the Damascus 12g twist steel barrel,that I never fired,nor had no desire to,kind of like having my face parts where they are supposed to be located.lol.
They still make the 30-40 Krag ammo. Heres the page to it.

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/cheap-krag-centerfire-rifle-ammo-sale-online-discount-prices-c-10480_14658_14743_14905_14866.html

Thanks for the nice reply,
LOU

Yep many factors come into play. I have a 44 mag I shoot a lot and well I have NEVER noticed the recoil on it but then it is very well balanced and I do shoot only hand loads to my specs and have used it to take deer out to around 60 yards and if I aim at it I most likely will hit it

Most people that get bruises get them from not holding gun tight to their shoulder.

I'm still a little psst about dad selling that thing. My grandpa also had the .410 pistol. If I remember right it only accepted 2 1/2" shells. He said he shot pheasants from the car window. I'd think the pheasant would have to be walking right past the car for him to be successful. LOL. I shot it a couple of times but I don't remember much about it. Dad sold that gun to a collector too but I wasn't too attached to it. He also had a Colt double barrel shotgun with a Damascus barrel. I think that gun ended up with my uncle so it's still in the family. As I understand it's pretty rare as Colt didn't make shotguns for very long. Jim

D beatty ,
AMEN to that pal. Secret to the successful firing of any shoulder fire arm. Glad to know some body is awake and thinking. Regards LOU.

Lou,

Where are your figures for .300 Mag with 220 grain bullets? I recall your insistence on needing 220 grain Hornadys for your preferred load.

I plugged the following numbers into an on-line recoil calculator:

Rifle weight: 8.5 lbs
Bullet weight: 220 grains
Muzzle velocity: 2700 fps
Charge weight: 70 grains

Recoil energy: 28.7 ft-lbs
Recoil velocity: 14.7 fps

Sorry, but I don't consider a 40 percent increase in recoil energy over 180 grain .30-06 to be insignificant. Now obviously you can handle your gun's recoil and shoot it accurately. But most folks who buy big magnums never do. As you know, it takes hundreds of rounds of practice to get to the point where you can shoot consistently under hunting conditions. Due to the recoil and cost of factory ammo, most .300 Mag buyers never even get their scopes zeroed in, let alone become proficient with their rifles.

(quoted from post at 17:20:45 12/19/13) I figured since most on here some people were complaining about recoil on the 300 win mag,against -06. Seems some one took the time to test it out scientifically to figure out how much is produced.
Here is an excerp fro the list showing the -06 and 300 win mag .
Rifle weight recoil energy.. recoil velocity
.30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910) 8.0 17.6 11.9
.30-06 Spfd. (165 at 2900) 8.0 20.1 12.7
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8
.300 Rem. SAUM (180 at 2960) 8.25 23.5 13.6
.300 WSM (150 at 3300) 8.25 22.5 13.3
.300 WSM (180 at 2970) 7.25 27.1 15.5
.300 WSM (180 at 2970) 8.25 23.8 13.6
.308 Norma Mag. (180 at 3000) 8.5 25.9 14.0
.300 Win. Mag. (150 at 3320) 8.5 23.5 13.3
.300 Win. Mag. (165 at 3110) 8.0 26.2 14.5
.300 Win. Mag. (180 at 2960) 8.5 25.9 14.0

You are talking about a whole bone jarring difference of 5 lbs recoil energy and a whopping 1.2 lbs of recoil velocity.

So that is all the difference is. Tired of hearing crying about how much recoil is on the 300 win mag. So people flinching is all in the persons head of the BAD RECOIL the 300 has. If that is their problem I'm sure their accuracy suffers drastically,so shot placement also suffers drastically.For us this is not a problem,and will continue to use what I'm more accurate with and able to dispatch the animal humanely with.

Oh by the way we have a doe feeding in our front yard, still the tracks make poor soup, as we don't shoot em when they are in our yard feeding.

LOU

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If a gun doesn't fit you correctly the kick will be a lot worse.
I once shot a rattlesnake at about 8 feet while crawling thru sagebrush to get a better shot at an antelope. I thought my shoulder was broken from that 300. 12 stiches later my nose stopped bleeding. It really pounded me.

This thread reminds me of about 20 years ago I got the hots for a 25/06. My brother asked if I had ever shot one? If not he said I better try it out before buying because they were the worst "mule kicking" thing ever invented. I shot a friend of mine's rifle, and went ahead and bought one. I don't think it is bad at all. Difference in opinions I guess.
Dale

Hey Lou,

I never said anything about the recoil, just that it was a lot of gun for deer. But we deer hunt short range, 80 yards max.

Was looking putting together a .30-378 Weatherby for long range coyotes until my retina said no. Well, doctor said no.

Instead looking at heavy gun, with light recoil. Probably a .243 for a few years. Duck/goose hunting with 3 1/2" 12 gauge mags is done too.

Rick

MarkB_MI,
Compare apples to apples,not apples to oranges, plug the same 220 grain from an -06 into the equation and the numbers are close again. If you don't it's like comparing fuel mileage on a Ford Fiesta against a 1/2 ton truck.


Bullet weight in grains 220
Velocity in fps 2500
Powder charge in grains 58.7
Weight of firearm in lbs 8

Recoil Impulse in (lbs sec) 3.47
Velocity of recoiling firearm (fps) 13.95
Free recoil energy in (ft/lbs) 24.17

Not a 40% increase.

Only exception I take with some on here,is telling me how BAD the recoil is and I should go down in size of caliber because they can't handle the recoil,if they shot one at all. Most are just reiterating stories told by the campfire of what someone else has said.

IF someone can't handle the recoil, I can't fault them for it,but to tell me to buy a smaller size firearm because of their vast knowledge of my capabilities is wrong,and how I won't be able to handle the recoil is wrong and I have no quandaries about saying so.
Also reiterating the myth of how much more recoil the 300 over the -06 is without knowing of what they speak is wrong.They are using their human perception of recoil,not fact.

Also a side note,so far to date my 300 is open stock iron sights,no scope,so shots are as only as far as I know I can make accurately.

LOU

Exactly Old Popper,
Human nerves for pain is different in each person,plus knowing how to shoot a higher powered rifle is a must.Some on here will spout off what their next of kin told them they heard about it,without ever trying it out for themselves.I'm sure there are ranges where one could rent any size rifle to try the caliber out before purchasing,but most are just happy to say "I know how bad that rifle kicks" because I seen it or heard stories about them etc.

I bet you are glad you didn't take it as Gospel and tried one out for yourself before running that caliber down because of the myth.
Thanks for the reply,
LOU

Rick Kr,
I'm sorry you thought I was talking about you,I wasn't.Having a health problem is exactly another reason to stay away from any recoil for your safety.Eyesight is a terrible thing to lose from undue jarring from firearms,so for that I am not singling you out for others misspoken words.

Area for shots around here can vary greatly, on newly logged areas,shooting any gun in my opinion is worthless,unless it is full auto to mow the saplings and brush down.lol.
There are areas here where 10 feet to 400 yard shot can be done safely and accurately with the right person who is familiar with their personal choice and ammunition.

So again I hold no ill will toward you,and appreciate your reply.
LOU

dej(Jed),
"I thought my shoulder was broken from that 300. 12 stitches later my nose stopped bleeding."

The real question is who do you blame for the stitches? You, the snake, the antelope, or the gun?lol. What were you doing crawling on the ground with snakes in the area?

I'm sure you learned a valuable lesson,not to be repeated soon.

They do make such a thing as a stick to move snakes out of the way,a lot easier on you and doesn't spook the game.lol.

I'm sure any rifle will hurt and maim someone who does not hold it correctly, as seen on you tube, there are probably hundreds of people who swore off shooting due to ill trained shooters.
Not enough eye relief on a scope is a mistake waiting to happen on any rifle,if not held correctly.

When I went to buy a new rifle when the first 30-30 quit due to mechanical failure,all the rifles in the store owners stock didn't fit me at all. When I ordered the 300, I was told "if you don't like it or it don't fit you,you will still have to pay for it". When it arrived, I took it out of the box and it fit like a glove.This was in the late 60's early 70's.Now days, you can try them out in the store or at a range to see what fits a person,a whole lot better IMO.

So be safe and enjoy the outdoors,
Regards,
LOU

Lou, I used 180 grain .30-06 as a reference point because it's a very popular cartridge that most folks would say has an "acceptable" kick. And also because I suggested you load your .300 Mag with 180 grain bullets at .30-06 velocities. If you want to use 220 grain bullets, that's your business, but given none are currently available you might as well give 180s or 200s a try.

For what it's worth, few people load .30-06 with 220 grain bullets for the same reason few load .300 Mag with 150 grain bullets: neither are particularly good combinations. But both .30-06 and .300 Mag shoot 180 grain bullets just fine.

No worries Lou, I didn't think you were talking about me.

Where I live is shotgun only for deer, so no long shots anyway. We are all farm fields. We can use rifles on varmit, aka coyotes.

Up north (Michigan) where we hunt in rifle zone is where we are in the swamps and heavy brush.

Rick