CDL tanker rules changing

john in la · Feb 26, 2014

The CDL rules for tanker definition is changing. This may effect some of you so thought I would post it.

The old rules were pretty simple. A tank had to be single tank of 1000 gallons to require the tanker endorsement. So you could haul 2000 gallons around on a trailer as long as you had say four 500 gallon tanks and not need a tanker endorsement.

This is no longer the case for the new rules.
Now they are calling what the DOT calls "bulk containers" Tanks.
So if you have containers of 119 gallons or more (includes IBC totes) and you have enough of them to add up to 1000 gallons you will need a tank endorsement.
You can still haul 2000 gallons around on a trailer in 55 gallon drums and not need a tank endorsement
BUT.........
If you have 10 totes of 119 gallons each OR 4 totes of 250 gallons each you will now need a tank endorsement on your CDL.

While the farmer no CDL rules still apply if you do have a CDL and a spray rig supply trailer with several small tanks on it you are now gona need a tank endorsement.

While this rule is several years old they do not usually enforce it till the compliance date 3 years after the rule goes into effect to give everyone time to comply. The compliance date is July 8, 2014.
49 CFR part 384

D beatty · Feb 27, 2014

I am glad I retired there are getting to be to many rules and regulations. I still have my CDL but dropped the Haz-Mat part of it. I don't want any part of hauling Haz-Mat any more.

jennifer408 · Feb 27, 2014

(quoted from post at 00:28:40 02/27/14) I am glad I retired there are getting to be to many rules and regulations..

and were paying them to rule and regulate us into a corner. what is wrong with us ?

jimg.allentown · Feb 27, 2014

Not really a big deal. A tank endorsement amounts to a short multpile choice test and $5.
If I remember correctly, the test was about 20 or 25 questions.

Bret4207 · Feb 27, 2014

Just remember that every time you see one of these new laws regarding CMVs or HazMat that it's usually spurred by industry or the Fed Gov't, not LE. Industry is the biggest driver (pun intended) to changes in the FMCSR. They are the ones that keep messing with the Hours of Service regs, licensing, tie downs, etc. Most of it appears to be liability driven. The Feds tend to act more on finding way to make an intrastate operation qualify as interstate so they can get their scheckles.

Considering all a HazMat qualified driver has to go through these days, I wonder if the wages reflect any of that? They should, at least if life was fair. But as we all know, life ain't fair!

loko17 · Feb 27, 2014

Ditto to D beatty. Dropped Hazmat, kept CDL.

Bret4207 · Feb 27, 2014

(quoted from post at 03:07:59 02/27/14)

(quoted from post at 00:28:40 02/27/14) I am glad I retired there are getting to be to many rules and regulations..

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and were paying them to rule and regulate us into a corner. what is wrong with us ?

There are 2 sides to that issue. Do we really need unqualified, untrained drivers transporting HazMat in unsafe trucks? Or a guy hauling 5K gallons of liquid manure in a rotted out trailer with no brakes and a truck with bad steering? When they decided to start letting Mexican trucks and drivers transit parts of the us the instant cry went up that there would be carnage on the highways from poorly maintained, unsafe Mexican drivers and trucks. Regulation has it's place. Over regulation is another thing altogether. Finding the happy medium is the hard part.

504 · Feb 27, 2014

On the pay thing: there is a local company here that I used to drive for,(I made good money)their lastest add in the paper says what their top driver made in 2013,about $14,000.00 less than I made last year. And they wonder why they have so many trucks setting waiting for drivers.
I will keep the CDL with tanker and Hazmat.

Leroy · Feb 27, 2014

Was a lot harder and more expencive when I took it a little over 20 years ago. Dropped the CDL 8 years ago.

john in la · Feb 27, 2014

Yes it is a short test and if you already have haz-mat it is free to add it to your cdl.

H- Haz-mat $5
T- Tanker $5
X- Tanker and haz-mat $5

john in la · Feb 27, 2014

Most of these new rules are spurred by the federal government under pressure from the general public.
Them dang big trucks think they own the road.

Another sector is the trucking industry looking for the DOT to outline what can and can not be done to give them a leg to stand on to try and fight these ambulance chasseing lawyers.

Some of it I can understand and go along with. Others are just WAY overboard.

LE is just doing their job when they enforce laws on the books.
My only problem with LE is they will write up any minor violation on a big truck just to get their ticket count up and look good in the sergeants eyes; But not look twice at a local pickup/one ton that is clearly unsafe. I often wonder if we are regulating out of state drivers and leaving local voting or can go to court people alone.

Goose · Feb 27, 2014

When I was in the Marine Corps, I had an endorsement to haul nuclear weapons and material on public highways.

Considering the hoops I, and others, had to jump through back then, I don't even want to think about what it would be like now. Back then, they basically gave you a book an inch thick and told you to memorize it.

And I never used mine, but with collateral duties as Motor Transport NCO, I was responsible for getting the licenses and endorsements for drivers that did need them so I went through the whole routine so I would know what I was talking about to the drivers.

the tractor vet · Feb 27, 2014

Ah i love all the new reg.'s and how it has made it SO much better . And how the CDL has made for better drivers today . AH YEA wright . Guess i am just to old . When they came out with this B/S i remember seeing a lot of GOOD drivers that could not pass the stupid test , Yea maybe they were not the brightest light bulb on the string but they could drive . Yea alot of them old boys did not finish highschool but they could drive on any roads and do it safely . NOW we have people out there driving that can pass the test but can not drive they just try and steer a truck down the road . I hauled my fair share of hazmat and you hauled it with a little more caution . Can not even think of how many loads of ammonium nitrate i hauled in 23-25 ton loads or Nuke waist or any number of other stuff . As for pulling a can it was not my thing .Heck now shingles are a hazemat load . IF ya ate to many beans they probably could nail ya to the cross for hauling a hazemat gas.

john in la · Feb 27, 2014

I just want to make it perfectly clear.
This has nothing to do with haz-mat.
There are many tank loads that are not haz-mat that this will apply to.

T in NE · Feb 27, 2014

Eventually they are going to make it so restricted that, just having a CDL, you"ll be in violation and eligible for a ticket just stepping out your front door.

Rollie NE PA · Feb 27, 2014

My Hazmat is up in July, and I think I am going to drop it. I still do not understand the need to be finger printed each time. In pennsylvania you have your finger printing done at the State Police Barracks. You make an appointment, go to the location sit and wait until a trooper decides they are ready for you. I waited two hours once and I was the only one there. I don't think the troopers like doing it.

D beatty · Feb 27, 2014

Since I amm retired and don't plan on hauling Haz-Mat so I dropped it. The Haz-Mat test is the hardest of all the tests and it keeps changing. Here in Indiana after passing the Haz-Mat test have to go 50 miles to another DMV to get finger printing done ( big pain in the neck). After dropping the Haz-Mat all I do is walk in and tell them I need to renew ( no test and show them I have valid medical card and out the door).

Frank 41 · Feb 27, 2014

The time before my last renewal, I dropped hazmat because of $45 fee for finger print and security check. I said I had a secret clearance in the Army. They said that was too long ago. I thought I might need it to haul farm chemicals. It is hard enough to file all the paper work for this insulin exemption CDL.

Bret4207 · Feb 28, 2014

(quoted from post at 12:36:47 02/27/14) I just want to make it perfectly clear.
This has nothing to do with haz-mat.
There are many tank loads that are not haz-mat that this will apply to.

I got that John, point is that if we let any one who felt like it haul tanks, like that liquid manure rig I mentioned, you and I both know what would be on the road.

As far as your other post, yeah, you write up all the violations and then you hand the guy a ticket for a triangle or a clearance light that he can fix and get out of paying a fine. That's the way we did it. Unless of course the guy is an idiot and it's the 3rd time you've seen him. Then you pound him instead of trying to be Mr. Nice Guy. Professional drivers were pleasure to deal with and their professionalism showed. The idiots...not so much.

Just FYI- where we are, we pulled anything thing with a GVWR or CGVWR that might be over 10K. Even if it was non-CMV we still enforced the local laws. But there's no local law that allowed me to crawl around under a private vehicle under 10K and do a Level 1. I'm pretty sure if there had been, the state would have had us do it!

Noah W · Feb 28, 2014

(quoted from post at 16:45:02 02/27/14) Eventually they are going to make it so restricted that, just having a CDL, you"ll be in violation and eligible for a ticket just stepping out your front door.

That is one reason I retired early from the airlines. There is so much Bravo Sierra involved in just walking into an airport, I just got tired of it.

Noah W

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