Two Ford Questions...

Hi all, first question, the neighbor ground up the hydro pump in his Ford 4000 farm tractor, it is a European Model, and they JUST got it. They are wanting to use it for haying, and I am "in charge" of getting it fixed... Soooo, what am I looking at for a repair, and which part of the tractor should I break in order to get to it? I can split it right underneath the seat, or underneath the dash...

2nd question, they are in the market for a 3 point plow for their Ford 5000. It has a 6000 engine in it, and loaded tires. It is a really strong, good pulling machine, I personally THINK that it would handle 4 x 14, maybe 16? But I would really like to know what you guys think? We have lots of rocks. The soil is usually soft, but there is a good amount of clay in it. I am looking around on CL, and I have seen a couple of 2 way, 3 bottom plows, but I don't think that the machine would pick one of those up! Plus, I am not really a big believer in 2 way plows, but if you guys would be willing to point out why they are good I would be MORE than happy to learn! Thanks, Bryce

Break the 4000 at the transmission/rear end coupling. The only real reason you need to open it is to reconnect the suction strainer when you reinstall the pump.... The pump itself is bolted to the right side of the housing. The main complication in removing it is getting the outlet line from the top of the pump to slide up into the flow control valve... there is a circlip on the tube that you slide down to facilitate that. Make sure you scrape all the old gasket off from behind the pump and install a new one...
That's how you change a pump... better question might be... if you haven't gotten the old one out yet or pressure tested it... how do you know it's bad? There's a few other problems that are far more common that bad pumps on those tractors...

In terms of plows... a mounted 4-16 is about all the 5000 could hope to lift or pull. That may even be more than it will want for traction in some places though power will be fine. a 2 bottom rollover is plenty for it to lift...
Purpose of a rollover is that you can plow from one side of a field to the other with no dead furrows or crowns. Keeps the field smoother... Some will argue they're quicker. Personally I think that's very debatable if someone lays their crowns/splits out correctly and doesn't work too wide of a land.

Rod

That was kind of my thought on the plows... The MOST they will ever plow is 20 acre fields, and probably only one a year. I know how to properly set up a field, and all of their's are a nice some waht rectangular shape, so plowing with a normal plow wouldn't be that bad... I am thinking right now that I would like a 3 x 16, or 4 x 14 for it... I think that it would pull 4, but I would rather pull 3 with no issues, then having to screw around with 4...

On the 4000, when ever you fire it up now, there is a very loud grinding and vibration coming from right underneath the operator. After the incident, there is NO PTO, and NO hydrolics? I assumed it was just the pump, but like you said, I really don't know what exactly is wrong until I break it in half! Just to be sure, you are saying to break it underneath the operator right? I don't think that it should be all that bad of a job, what do you think for labor, 8 hours? Bryce

Can you ad a pic of tractor?

Bryce,You NEED aservice manual BEFORE you tear into it.Read it!!The 30 bucks or so you will spend will save you a lot of time,and possibly a mistake(or two..) that could cost you a lot of money.Make the owner buy the book if you dont want to. A 5000 Ford has a 256 ci 4 cylinder(naturally aspirated) engine. A 6000 has a 6 cylinder engine...Does that 4 banger have a turbo?If it does,that would make it equivalent to a 7000 engine...

If that tractor were an IH,no pto or hydralics would mean the pressure plate and pto drive are stripped.That would require a 'clutch job' and some 'extra' parts. I am not familiar with Fords,but it is preobably different....

If it were a IH parts and info would be easier to find.

You also asaked about plows.A two way if you have irrigation is needed.A 5000 will lift a 3 bottom twoway.But front wts are needed.The 5000 is at the LOWER end of the hp needed for a 3 bottom.Especially if plowing sod/hay ground. Best go with a 2 bottom.A 5000 is rated at 65+/- hp. We figure it takes a MINIMUM of 20 or 25 horses per botttom.Examples: My 130/140 horse 1256 will struggle in some soils with 4x16.The 95 horse turbo 706 3x14 in some soils is almost too much.In other soils,the tractors will easily pull another bottom.

re the plow: if you"re plowing corn stalks or other high residue, consider a 3-18 auto reset semi-mount plow. More trash clearance than a 16, or especially a 14 inch bottom. Auto reset handles the rocks. White 548, 588 plows are excellent choices. Don"t even think about that IH semi-mount that runs the tail wheel on land, instead of in the furrow.

Why does everyone need to load up the biggest plow they can possibly find on an old antique tractor?

Never understand that, I guess it is a big boy toy bragging deal, my tractor is bigger and badder than yours.....

A 3-16 plow is a very nice match for a 4000 tractor with the bigger engine.

A 14 inch bottom doesn't handle trash, cornstalks etc as well and 4-14 would sure work the old gal hard even in easy soils.

A 3-18 would be even better if your soil is a bit lighter and easy plowing. Better trash clearance.

My ford 5000 (actually a tall one, 5200) at 60 hp works nicely with a 3-16 plow, would not want to load it up with any more plow!

But I guess if I hooked up a 7 bottom behind it it would get me done sooner and I could brag more. As I hire the neighbors to work my ground because I blew my tractor up......

Paul

Paul is right! Always good to have more power than you need.No need to pull the guts out of any tractor.And pretty embarrasing(at plow day) to be in low gear with everyone piled up behind you because you bought TOO BIG a plow for your tractor

I would suspect it's more likely the PTO drive hub on the pressure plate that's bad... It's a pretty common problem on those things when they get some hours on them. In your situation I'd probably start by splitting it at the bell housing and inspect the clutch and drive splines on both shafts. If that's NOT stripped out, then I'd look at removing the transmission from the rear end. That is where you will access the PTO and hydraulic pump.

Rod

My grandpa had a 6000 and pull 5x14's with it.

If I remember correctly, they bought the straight 6 out of a Ford 6400 Industrial, and did a "stretch" on it. The tractor has WAY more power than it needs, and they think that because it has the power, it will pull a 5 x 14 plow, bs in my opinion.

I told them that I THOUGHT a 3 x 16 would be the best match for the tractor, plus if they were to buy a 3 x 16 plow, their 4000 might handle it if it had to as well?? Bryce

(quoted from post at 16:49:56 07/02/14) If I remember correctly, they bought the straight 6 out of a Ford 6400 Industrial, and did a "stretch" on it. The tractor has WAY more power than it needs, and they think that because it has the power, it will pull a 5 x 14 plow, bs in my opinion.

I told them that I THOUGHT a 3 x 16 would be the best match for the tractor, plus if they were to buy a 3 x 16 plow, their 4000 might handle it if it had to as well?? Bryce

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You say that they have a lot of rocks. I would place a higher emphasis on getting auto resets than the number of bottoms.

There were guys around here that pulled 5x14 plows with 60 hp 2wd tractors. They didn't pull them in tough conditions but they could get by in most places. Power is not the limiting factor in a 5000 dragging that plow. Traction will be. If you by chance had a 5000 with 34" rubber and a lot of weight on it... it would probably do OK in most places.
I run a 4x12-20" variable width on my TS90 and 7710, both of which are MFWD and heavily weighted and both of them get along fine in any situation that's fit to set a plow into. Only difference is that the 7710 will drag it about 1.5 mph faster. So I'd say unless you are in all but the very heaviest soil the 5000 should handle a mounted 4-16 quite alright in third or forth gear. I used to run a 3-14 on a 5610 and that didn't know it was there.

Rod