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Lou from Wi.
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I've hauled gasoline in (2) 55 gallon drums all the way from Anderson,Indiana to Northern Wisconsin when gasoline was .28 cents a gallon. Didn't run out of gas on the way up either.lol.
Dumb, probably so, but it was late at night and very little traffic in the 1970's.
LOU
Dumb, probably so, but it was late at night and very little traffic in the 1970's.
LOU
My opinion, in most cases DOT has too much time on their hands, and we pay far too much taxes for that time (EPA, and some local law enforcement also fits in that category). My guess is this is not something the guy is doing every day, he likely is farming and needing to store diesel to fuel equipment, and might just take that tank a few miles once or twice a year. But just a guess. I recently fractured a few laws myself when I needed to haul an old pickup I purchased to a facility to be inspected (ironically a state facility). I normally do not license my trailer, and had not hooked up my truck to connect trailer brakes. It went to a Mo. Highway Patrol facility for the inspection on an unlicensed trailer with no working brakes which is about 120 mile round trip pulling with a pickup with 6,000 lb local farm plates (I have ran those for years, and drive where I like, and no complaints yet). Yes, if law enforcement or DOT would have been there, and noticed, I might have been ticketed, or warned, but I figured I would gladly pay the fine vs. paying yearly to license a trailer I rarely take off the farm. I did replace my broken tail lights, and made sure the lights and signals were working. About half the trailers I see on the roads in MO do not even bother having working lights. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do within reason.
Steve A W
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If I remember right, in Indiana, anything over 55 gallons requires hazmat id.
Steve A W
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Steve A W
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I recall my grandmother purchasing and storing gasoline in gallon glass containers - this was in the early - mid 1960's. No one though much of it back then. Today, we are forced to use the plastic junk with no vents (thanks to whoever invented those). I usually end up spilling more than goes in, but I did locate some vents on ebay, purchased, and life is better now.
john in la
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I assume that is diesel.
If so his main problem is he is using a bulk container.
If he had used containers less than 119 gallons he is not in violation unless you want to get picky and say he is over weight.
Diesel fuel in non bulk containers (less than 119 gallons) is not regulated by DOT.
Not regulated means you can haul as much as you want.
If so his main problem is he is using a bulk container.
If he had used containers less than 119 gallons he is not in violation unless you want to get picky and say he is over weight.
Diesel fuel in non bulk containers (less than 119 gallons) is not regulated by DOT.
Not regulated means you can haul as much as you want.
Phil-mar Farms
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How much does a tote full of fuel weigh?
I would have offered him a tip about at least throwing a tarp over it 
.......about 5 years ago I hauled a 500 gallon propane tank about 50 or so miles (yes it was empty, but that probably would not have mattered to some that might like to generate some added revenue to their small community), and to keep from drawing unwanted attention, I tarped it and made sure it was strapped down well. Might have been legal since it was empty, but why draw attention and find out.
.......about 5 years ago I hauled a 500 gallon propane tank about 50 or so miles (yes it was empty, but that probably would not have mattered to some that might like to generate some added revenue to their small community), and to keep from drawing unwanted attention, I tarped it and made sure it was strapped down well. Might have been legal since it was empty, but why draw attention and find out.john in la
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Totes come in 275 and 330 gallons.
Diesel fuel weighs around 7.25 to 7.5 lbs per gallon depending on its temperature.
So 1993 lbs to 2475 lbs.
Diesel fuel weighs around 7.25 to 7.5 lbs per gallon depending on its temperature.
So 1993 lbs to 2475 lbs.
john in la
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A container that is listed as "Last Contained" (empty) carries the same rules as a full container.
Farmers do it all the time with fuel tanks on their pickups 150-200 gal. Many construction companies do the same. Go pass patrol all the time never heard of one being ticketed. I know they don't have plastic tanks but still over 119 gal. As for propane tanks we haul them all the time no cover no problem.
john in la
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CDL?????
Haz-mat rules start way below CDL rules
Lets stick with gasoline and diesel and propane so this does not get complicated.
Diesel is Not Regulated in non bulk containers.
So you can haul 20,000 lbs of diesel fuel if you want to as long as you put it in non bulk containers.
Gasoline is a different ball game.
The average Joe (CDL or not) can only haul 440 lbs total and it must be in containers of 8 gallons or less.
For the average Joe (CDL or not) Each cylinder containing a gas (Division 2.1 or 2.2) may not weigh more than 220 lbs and 440 lbs total.
You can have a CDL with haz-mat endorsement but still can not haul over 440 lbs of gasoline or gas cylinders in your personal truck as it is not registered with the US Department of Transportation Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration. To haul over 440 lbs of gasoline at one time you have to be a licensed carrier.
Haz-mat rules start way below CDL rules
Lets stick with gasoline and diesel and propane so this does not get complicated.
Diesel is Not Regulated in non bulk containers.
So you can haul 20,000 lbs of diesel fuel if you want to as long as you put it in non bulk containers.
Gasoline is a different ball game.
The average Joe (CDL or not) can only haul 440 lbs total and it must be in containers of 8 gallons or less.
For the average Joe (CDL or not) Each cylinder containing a gas (Division 2.1 or 2.2) may not weigh more than 220 lbs and 440 lbs total.
You can have a CDL with haz-mat endorsement but still can not haul over 440 lbs of gasoline or gas cylinders in your personal truck as it is not registered with the US Department of Transportation Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration. To haul over 440 lbs of gasoline at one time you have to be a licensed carrier.
K Effective
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30 years ago we would haul gas or diesel from the station to the farm in a 275 gal fuel oil tank bolted to a couple 4X4s in the back of my pickup. Pumped it into the overhead tanks with a couple of pounds of air from a compressor. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but was quite prevalent around here, and often still is!
T in NE
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Oh man. Hope they aren't going to dump that much road fuel in off road equipment today.
Surprising the filling station didn't shut them off. Had one do that once hauling fuel in a 5 gallon oil bucket. Off road pump was right beside the building. Bucket stayed in the truck after that. And the tailgate closed.
Surprising the filling station didn't shut them off. Had one do that once hauling fuel in a 5 gallon oil bucket. Off road pump was right beside the building. Bucket stayed in the truck after that. And the tailgate closed.
Years ago, my herbicide deal said you had to have these special containers to haul bulk herbicides, they were not allowed to reuse totes, only these special round plastic containers. Period.
So I got one, used it 3 years.
Then, dot said those containers were wrong, you can't possibly use them, the only thing allowed is a tote. Period.
Both are plastic, I don't see a dang bit of difference, but those are the rules, don't you know, got to follow the rules.
Anyhow, the tote I was no way, no how allowed to use 3 years earlier because it was awful terrible dangerous then is now hauling bulk chemical and the special round plastic container that is much much safer is in the corner of the shed, and everything is just nice and legal and perfect. So,embody put a stamp on something to tell me that, and that makes it all right.
Paul
So I got one, used it 3 years.
Then, dot said those containers were wrong, you can't possibly use them, the only thing allowed is a tote. Period.
Both are plastic, I don't see a dang bit of difference, but those are the rules, don't you know, got to follow the rules.
Anyhow, the tote I was no way, no how allowed to use 3 years earlier because it was awful terrible dangerous then is now hauling bulk chemical and the special round plastic container that is much much safer is in the corner of the shed, and everything is just nice and legal and perfect. So,embody put a stamp on something to tell me that, and that makes it all right.
Paul
I know a guy who has started hauling gas in five gallon oil buckets since you can't buy a good gas can anymore. Takes about a year for the gas to eat the rubber spout out. It is easier to keep four buckets and a funnel around the barn for fourwheeler, lawnmower, tiller, and gas tractor.
Dave
Dave
All you guys saying you can't haul more then 119 gallons, have obviously never put fuel in an over the road truck. Lots of them are double tanks of 110 gallons (220plus). Lots of DOT legal 500 gallon fuel trailers run around in real farm country.
Shoot, I'll bet Jon, who took the picture, put in over your 119 gallons.
Shoot, I'll bet Jon, who took the picture, put in over your 119 gallons.
I'm tempted to do the same. Needed another 5 gal container the other day. They were over $20 most places (for a PLASTIC container??!!!) and all with that crappy CARB spout. Spend more time fiddling with the spout than actually putting gas in the tank. Now, I just remove the spout and use a funnel. I'm getting real tired of my government trying to protect me from myself. As for protecting the environment, only the tree huggers can believe that all the complications of a CARB compliant gas can actually do any good. Heck, we just had a gas tanker fire in Detroit recently. I think upwards of 9,000 gals of gas were flushed down the sewers. Yet, don't dare spill a quart of oil or diesel on the ground and have the EPA catch you.
So semi trucks get an exemption. That's great but tells me there's nothing inherently dangerous about hauling > 119 gallons (that's a nice round number :roll: ). If there was, there'd be NO exemptions if you think logically about it.
We've had 2 tanker fires on our local freeways lately that have caused enough damage to require multiple day shutdowns to remove/replace the pavement. But to ban tanker trucks is illogical and cost prohibitive. So we live with that risk. When was the last time you heard of an explosion or fire from a guy hauling gas or diesel in a pickup truck bed? And I pass construction and fleet maintenance vehicles with tanks in their beds every day.
wilson ind
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Hauled 3 1000 gal propane tanks from colorado to western montana, just sprayed JUNK on each tank. no problem, they needed repaint anthow.
john in la
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Semi trucks get a exemption because it is a known threat.
Same thing with a car that has a gasoline tank larger than 8 gallons.
Every fireman should know when he arrives on a accident scene with a semi truck and a car that there will be the hazard of 2 diesel tanks in the 100 to 150 gallon range and 1 gasoline tank in the range of 20 to 25 gallons.
If a fireman shows up on a accident scene there is know way he is gona presume that a pickup is gona have a 100 gallon propane tank; or a 275 gallon tote full of diesel fuel; or 20 five gallon cans of gasoline; in the bed of the pickup.
Haz-mat rules are all about warning the general public; and fire/police men to stay away.
This vehicle poses a greater than normal threat.
Same thing with a car that has a gasoline tank larger than 8 gallons.
Every fireman should know when he arrives on a accident scene with a semi truck and a car that there will be the hazard of 2 diesel tanks in the 100 to 150 gallon range and 1 gasoline tank in the range of 20 to 25 gallons.
If a fireman shows up on a accident scene there is know way he is gona presume that a pickup is gona have a 100 gallon propane tank; or a 275 gallon tote full of diesel fuel; or 20 five gallon cans of gasoline; in the bed of the pickup.
Haz-mat rules are all about warning the general public; and fire/police men to stay away.
This vehicle poses a greater than normal threat.
Mark - IN.
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None. Why and who's asking? We don't take kindly to revenuers. You a revenuer looking for stills? Revenuers snooping around and trying to find our shine gets us riled up.
Mark
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