Round up and 2-4 d

Geo-TH,In · Jun 23, 2016

I use a blend of round up, 2-4 d and soap to kill poison Ivy. I wear gloves, eye protection, respirator with charcoal filters, long pants, long shirt and shoes. When I got done today, I changed my clothes and put them in a basket to take home inside the truck cab. I did my very best not to get any chemicals on me, yet I could smell them inside them on my clothes.

On the way home, I saw a man with sandals and shorts spraying his drive. I did everything I can, with the exception of putting on a HAZMAT outfit to keep the chemicals off my skin. What are people thinking when they are spraying chemicals in shorts and sandals?

tim-m · Jun 23, 2016

Please do not do this again. My brother-law lost his memory and came very close to losing his life. If his boys had not of remeber what he was doing that morning, spraying weeds with 2-4 d and roundup the doctor would not of known how to treat him. They the doctors kept Ray alive , but was never the same.

gene bender · Jun 23, 2016

so whats supposed to happen to him we dont know what he was using.

paul · Jun 23, 2016

Both those herbicides have a very mild hazard rating, its kinda humorous to hear salt and vinegar being used to kill weeds organically, as those 2 products are actually rated more hazardous to humans, skin burn, etc. we are just familiar with vinegar and salt so we don't worry about it.

Anyhow, back when farmers would use there hands to stir those products up sometimes, what was the fella doing to get such a reaction to using them in the short term? Was he mixing diesel fuel or some other strong soap/juice in with the mix to cause the problem?

Being careful is good, the hazmat suit is better than the sandals for sure, just seems extreme reaction when many many folk have pretty heavy exposures to those 2 herbicides without any short term reactions?

Paul

Tom in TN · Jun 23, 2016

Geo,

I'm not as careful as you are with chemicals, but I admire your precautions. I wear a long sleeved shirt and pants when I'm spraying. I actually have a PVC coat that I use when I spray my fruit trees with a wand because I can't escape having some of the run off from the leaves getting onto me.

Many years ago I lived in Hollywood Florida. I had a St. Augustine grass lawn. The army worms loved it. I sprayed a small area where they were killing the grass, and somehow, I managed to get some of the insecticide on the backs of my knees. I ended up with two HUGE water blisters where that spray had touched me. It was a painful lesson, but one that taught me to respect chemicals and skin.

Tom in TN

Geo-TH,In · Jun 23, 2016

Yes, perhaps he was putting fertilizer on the weeds in his drive. What do most people spray their drives with?

John B. · Jun 23, 2016

I usually wear gloves when mixing/handling 2-4D and Roundupbut but not when I'm spraying it because it's diluted. Say 2 oz to one gallon (128) that isn't real strong.

Now insecticide are another story. When spraying that you have to apply a Vitamen "E" cream on exposed skin to keep it from burning you.

I spray roundup in my driveway but use rock salt around my shed and fence. It lasts almost a full 3 months and no PPE is required.

Geo-TH,In · Jun 23, 2016

tim-m,
I wasn't aware the combination was that deadly to humans. I use 4 oz of each per gallon. Just smelling 2-4 d gives me a headache, so I use a respirator. I don't want that crap in my lungs. geo.

stonerock · Jun 23, 2016

Paul you are right,Geo mix 2 oz of round-up and 1 oz 2-4D per galion of water, anything more and your are wasting money, you are not going to kill any deader any quicker, your soap has to be dawn blue only one with a surfactant, if anything else you are just washing the plant before you kill it, these are safe to handle chem they are sold at Wal-Mart anyone can buy them

Greg K · Jun 23, 2016

Lol. Dad talks how they used to use 2-4-d to wash the grease off their hands in the 50's. Not saying it's a good idea, just saying it didn't cause burns or immediate death.

paul · Jun 23, 2016

Now, if one gets some bare leg in front of a nozzle and the water/chemical gets injected into the skin, that's a problem! As much from infection of the dirty water as from the herbicide.

And some few people in the world are allergic/ sensitive of this or that chemical; if the person happened to be unusually sensitive that is understandable.

Any number of things I'm not thinking of right now.

Just was curious. Not trying to make anything of it.

Paul

coonie minnie · Jun 23, 2016

I have a WI applicators licence, and try to do my best. But I had a guy treat our lawn for dandelions once (2,4-D) and he must have slept through the class. No shirt, shorts, burning a cigarette while spraying with a hand sprayer. Guess he didn't heed the directions like I did...

Rollie NE PA · Jun 23, 2016

Maybe he was just using vinegar.

Geo-TH,In · Jun 23, 2016

Just returned from my evening 4 mile bicycle ride. Another guy in shorts and T shirt spraying his drive and not with vinegar. You could smell the round up.

Brown Swiss · Jun 23, 2016

This year when I was putting glyphosate in the sprayer a gust of wind out of no where blew a bunch in my face, just continued filling the sprayer, then walked to the house and washed it off. Not dead yet!

Geo-TH,In · Jun 23, 2016

So how should a person spraying round up and 2-4 d be dressed? thanks geo.

notjustair · Jun 23, 2016

I always wonder as I am mixing up 1000 gallons of some noxious concoction for burndown - wonder what all of this splashing on me is doing? There's always Roundup, 24D, Sharpen, WEX, etc. in it. I do feel better knowing what I have in the tank. The other day I was checking cattle and got a horrible taste in my mouth. I shut off the gator and a crop duster was turning around above the pasture. I'm not sure what was in it, but it was nasty.

Greg K · Jun 23, 2016

Understood, everyone reacts different. If I eat certain brands of store bought sausage I break out in hives, most people don't. Wasn't trying to imply I didn't believe the story just relating another one.

rusty6 · Jun 23, 2016

2-4D is a strong and lingering smell that gets into your clothes. I always wear coveralls and rubber gloves working around the sprayer. Have a charcoal cab filter that takes all the chemical smell out of the air coming into the cab. Far as I am concerned it is the long term effects we need to worry about. You might not feel sick today or tomorrow but that stuff builds up in your organs and I think eventually we might pay the price. Its a necessary evil when you grow crops for a living. But I'd be darned if I'd use it on my lawn around the yard. I'll gladly live with a few dandelions rather then get a little more herbicides absorbed into my system.
Spraying Roundup

Cheesehead Fred · Jun 24, 2016

me and another old guy (about 67) were chatting at the hospital the other day about things we farm kids used to do many years ago. Planted corn using Thimet insectacide for rootworm for a few years, and after getting a few acres planted, the whole field had a strong smell from the vapors. Always had a bad case of the runs the next day, so we alternated drivers until we all had the runs.
Watched an Atrazine salesman eat a teaspoon full of it when it was sold dry in 5 pound bays. Said it was harmless.
after a few more of these stories the other old guy mentioned he had cancer and had been at chemotherapy the day before where he met a bunch of old farmers swapping similair stories. You cant be to careful if you are planning to live to retire. What we do today may not show up for a while. Lost a classmate to Agent Orange last month, and it was a long slow way to go. Be careful out there!

Bob · Jun 24, 2016

Walk thru the lawn and garden dept. at any WaldoWorld or the other big box stores and you can smell dichlorophenoxyacetic acid given off by the feed and weed, etc..

BIG time.

Wonder what the cancer/death rate is for those that work there/breath that smell everyday vs. George mucking around with it a day or two a year with PROTECTION?

GeneMO · Jun 24, 2016

I guess I am not a "poster child" for herbicide safety.

I had total kidney failure in 1990. I suspicioned herbicides as I always did our spraying, and we were farming quite a bit in the 70's and 80's. Most of the spraying was done on our open station tractor. I tried to be careful, but some days I would come in stained yellow from incorporating treflan.

We also were in on the beginning of the no till movement, and I remember using Paraquat in our burn down mixture for many years, starting in 1979.

Doctors said my kidney disease was most likely caused by a strep infection, but heavy metals like lead and mercury could also cause the same disease. At that time I was doing a lot of bullet casting for my reloading hobby. ???

Who knows. Just do the best you can at playing it safe.

Gene

notjustair · Jun 24, 2016

I always wonder as I am mixing up 1000 gallons of some noxious concoction for burndown - wonder what all of this splashing on me is doing? There's always Roundup, 24D, Sharpen, WEX, etc. in it. I do feel better knowing what I have in the tank. The other day I was checking cattle and got a horrible taste in my mouth. I shut off the gator and a crop duster was turning around above the pasture. I'm not sure what was in it, but it was nasty.

longmeadowfarm · Jun 24, 2016

In the spirit of full disclosure, I'm an organic farmer in an area with housing subdivisions and active agricultural land.... row crops and hay. A conventional (chemical) farmer shares the available leased land in the general vicinity of my farm and leased/available acreage. Over the years the "chemical" farmer has sprayed within 50 ft of a housing subdivision with many children and has sprayed when the wind is gusting over 20 mph.. resulting in much drift. I was returning from baling one afternoon driving into a gusty westerly wind .. and I began to smell something sweet. Upon arriving at my farm.. I discovered that the 'chemical " farmer was out in the field spraying and I was evidently doused with the crap. I'm now 75 years old and have buried three of my farmer neighbors....all who died miserable deaths.. atrributed to using farm chemicals with little to no protection. I just returned from baling and drove past my herd of cattle... perched on their heads were copious numbers of birds.. just sitting there picking the flies.. my "chemical" neighbor uses chemical fly control... no birds on his cattle's heads.. no dung beetles and no wild turkeys running around spreading the cow pies... which all happens on my farm. So does he have the curiosity to figure out why.. no, much too proud and he will as well die a miserable death.

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