I saw a truck older one ton hauling crops today. Here is the question how can this be legal??? It had a pusher, dolly, or hang up wheels (pick your term) 16 inch tires. At the scale house, I was there, it has 12000 lbs payload. empty one ton weighs about 7500 lbsstill has one ton dana type 70 rear end!!! Now a 1 ton from that area used to be 10-11000 gvw. I find that set up intriguing not to mention laws on the spread of the dolly wheels, tire width vrs weight and so on. So whats your take on this one. 1. I would not drive it on a court order 2. I would not turn the out fit in. 3. I know about the commodities 10% allowance and a few other weight laws for farm trucks.
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Aaron SEIA
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I'm confused with all the numbers. Are you saying the guy scaled 12,000 loaded, or had a load of 12,000 lbs on the truck? 12,000 lbs of corn is only 200 bushels. Or was it all in the bed of the truck. 12,000 gross isn't too heavy as long as your careful.
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Bryce Frazier
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I am also a little confused, but, as I understand it:
This guy was in a single rear axle, dually ONE ton truck, of which someone had added in a "lift axle" in front of, or behind the standard axle to increase capacity.
I also think I understand that he had 12,000 lbs of load ON the truck, PLUS the weight of the truck, so, technically way over weight? But because he had the lift axle, was he, or was he not legal?
This guy was in a single rear axle, dually ONE ton truck, of which someone had added in a "lift axle" in front of, or behind the standard axle to increase capacity.
I also think I understand that he had 12,000 lbs of load ON the truck, PLUS the weight of the truck, so, technically way over weight? But because he had the lift axle, was he, or was he not legal?
its going to take a trucking lawyer to sort it out, those 16 inch wheels are rated at i think 3400 lbs per dual set , what we dont know is what it has for suspension and if the pusher axle is braked or un braked, how much weight he can load onto it, and what if any frame mods have been made to the truck, ive grossed 17800 lbs in my old square body 1 ton, i did that exactly once, never again, with good reason
Bob Bancroft
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This is almost like an electrical question!
It used to be, in NYS, that what you had a truck registered for was the important factor. Not any more. Now you are limited by how the truck was manufactured and certified. If some truck place wants to add a lift axle, and take on the liability of re-certifying a truck, I guess they can. I imagine the situation you describe goes back to the good old days! Now everything counts.- axle/wheel/tire/suspension ratings, wheelbase, etc. The single axle farm trucks from my youth were notoriously over loaded on the rear axle. Yet I don't recall any accidents/issues with them.
It used to be, in NYS, that what you had a truck registered for was the important factor. Not any more. Now you are limited by how the truck was manufactured and certified. If some truck place wants to add a lift axle, and take on the liability of re-certifying a truck, I guess they can. I imagine the situation you describe goes back to the good old days! Now everything counts.- axle/wheel/tire/suspension ratings, wheelbase, etc. The single axle farm trucks from my youth were notoriously over loaded on the rear axle. Yet I don't recall any accidents/issues with them.
Bryce Frazier
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That's exactly it, there are so many unknowns, what ifs, and fine print!! I don't know a lot about it, but, seems like if done right, it could be legal, just because you can modify OTR Trucks, and thus change their legal GVW, etc.
gene bender
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Must have had a big box to hold 200bu. What scale house did they let him go how do you know it was a 1 ton maybe the marking on the hood and been changed with a n old one ect
Donald Lehman
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Yup, Pop used to regularly haul between 11 and 13 tons of fertilizer on our D-500 trucks, 318 motors, 5X2 tranny's. Pop considered the 13 ton loads "a bit on the heavy side" and 11 ton loads "not worth making the trip". He had a 1946 Corn Binder he had a set of dummies on and hauled 5 rows of 4 foot pulp (8 feet high). He said it was "just a decent load". We never considered any of those loads unsafe. Lol!
in Missouri a single axle with duals can license for 30000# but 1 kicker the square inches of tire on the groundi see several 1 tons with 30000 tags . as for tandem axles its 34000#and you can add 20000 for front axle thus 54000 pounds legal but we revert back to square inches of tire to ground. I made a dumptruck out of my old road tractor.and to carry 54000 I had to have those big floater tires on the steer axle. after all the headaches with them big tires id drop back to 50000 and run the original 11-24.5 tires
When you start talking farm commodities or logging and mining all normal laws go out the window. You can have special permits or just have been doing it for a long time and be grandfatherd in. For example florida orange haulers can haul 80,000lbs on a single axle truck and trailer, a normal single axle truck trailer combo can only haul 58,000lbs max. Coal haulers around here regularly haul over 100,000lbs with a $15 permit.
It ain't what it will carry it's what it will stop when some idiot pulls out in front of you! Don't matter if they ran a stop sign, load like that and any 2 week out of law school lawyer will most likely eat your lunch while his clients sit they with neck braces on.
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Welding man
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It is all about which state you are in. In my state,farm trucks are exempt, period, up to 25 miles from the farm. No license plate or state inspection is required, or no weight limits as long as you are hauling farm products or machinery to or from the farm, Even gravel for the road is exempt if it is being used on a farm road.Logs can be hauled to the mill if they were cut on your land. Paint FARM USE on the doors get some liability insurance and roll on.
Years ago before the floaters took over every custom spray operator had 3/4 ton trucks with an added rear axle to hold larger spray tanks. Too many different companys for the spray companys to have made those trucks. Also have heard of grass fire trucks equiped like that. And they used to make a tag axle that was supplied with the pickup slide in campers so the trucks would not be draging their tail.
jimg.allentown
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So, exactly why are you belaboring this issue??
First off, you are asking for a legal interpretation without giving enough information. For example, weight ratings of axles, tires, and vehicle. If the scale cops let him go, he must have been either legal or exempt. At that point, it becomes nobody's business.
Then there is the question of what regulations he is covered under. Federal regulations do not necessarily apply to intrastate hauling. State regulations vary from state to state. Did you crack open the rule book? Did you look into the state rules at this location? Or did you expect an accurate and legal answer from a bunch of guys that could well be a thousand miles away?
First off, you are asking for a legal interpretation without giving enough information. For example, weight ratings of axles, tires, and vehicle. If the scale cops let him go, he must have been either legal or exempt. At that point, it becomes nobody's business.
Then there is the question of what regulations he is covered under. Federal regulations do not necessarily apply to intrastate hauling. State regulations vary from state to state. Did you crack open the rule book? Did you look into the state rules at this location? Or did you expect an accurate and legal answer from a bunch of guys that could well be a thousand miles away?
showcrop
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When I had my triaxle dump, the first time that I got it registered I had to go to the spring shop to get it inspected, including everything to do with the lift axle. They are certified of course to check everything having to do with the lift axle. Incidently they also sell and install them. Then I had to go to a once a week DOT inspection station where the inspector verified that I had a certified lift axle, and that my running lights worked. It appears that the state has everything covered.
BarnyardEngineering
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- Rochester, NY
You can do anything you want as long as you don't get caught, although, he's probably utilizing some farm vehicle loophole.
Stupid to overload stuff, not only illegal, hard on equipment but not very safe at all. With that said I did a ride along with a friend hauling two large generators that weighed 14k a piece with a dodge 1 ton. These were 150Kw generators on skids. I guessed his total weight had to be somewhere around 43,000lbs (28k load, 8k trailer, 7k truck). We only hauled them about 30 miles of back roads but wasn't the smartest thing to do, I was just along for the ride.
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