Put a 158 loader on my 4320 last spring. Have yet to use it for anything but hay since. Will spread some fertilizer,16ft disc, and run a 6 row planter this spring. It does have a skid steer style quick attach on it, so I can drop whatever is ahead of it off. I feel I should drop it off but know as soon as I do I'll need it for something. Do you guys leave them on or drop them? Wondering if the extra weight will make the front end sink.
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buickanddeere
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Increased soil compaction and reduced drawbar pull.
How long does it take to remove or re-attach that loader? Some only take 5 minutes. Field work is easier and more efficient without a loader unless you really need extra front end weight or to carry something around the field in the bucket (seed, fertilizer, picking up rocks, etc.)
Eldon (WA)
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I absolutely hate doing field work with a loader on. Growing up I was stuck with the loader tractor most of the time because it was the heaviest, so I spent a lot of hours looking thru that dang Du-Al frame (we always took the bucket off). Now I use the skidsteer, and the loaders come off of any tractors I buy, and get put back on if I sell them.....
As long as you drop the bucket off it won"t add much weight or be cumbersome. Maybe the bit of extra weight is needed, depending how your tractor is ballasted. Certainly doesn"t make much difference in efficiency in the field. My 148 on the 3020 is like your 158 on the 4320....sightline is fine with the loader frame horizontal. When seeding barley, I"d lift the packer with the loader frame, and hook the seed wagon behind the grain drill, to move from field to field. Nothing wrong with having a lifting device in the field.
Tx Jim
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- Coyote Flats, Texas
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Please explain how having a frt loader on tractor will reduce traction? I was taught in JD sales meetings that frt weight increased traction especially with 3 pt equip.
I dislike having loader on for field work because tractor will bounce more unless one installs the nitrogen filled container to boom raise hose on FEL
Russ from MN
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- Bemidji MN
I need the weight for traction, it makes a difference on our JD 4600! I take the bucket off sometimes for bush hogging, but then I need it for pushing junk out of the way. I very seldom take the whole loader off, the front brace for my canopy attach to it. Those braces are not necessary for sun protection, but if a tree fell on it they would help.
Case Nutty 1660
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Off, like stated compaction is a big one for me, next I hate seeing a tractor pack weight it does not have too, harder on tires. wheel,s bearings, axle pivots and more, then lets talk wear on the loader, hammering all day long wears it faster than using it as you are wearing in one spot on the pins rather than it rotating when its used, I see people do it here but to me unless you have a non-quick attach loader I do not see any reason to keep it on
Bruce from Can.
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- Woodville, Ontario, Canada
I have two loader tractors , and never take the loaders off of them . I have four other tractors without loaders , so I don't see the need . Probably if I did take one off , I would have to put it back on the next day any how.
redforlife
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I have multiple tractors, so the loader never comes off of the loader tractor. But that tractor also never goes to the field for field work. If it did go to the field for field work, I would consider taking it off. No need to carry that extra weight every inch you travel in the summer time if you aren't using the loader.
Agree... with the heavy bucket out front, the rears spin easily.. and the bucket bounces and really beats up the loader, frontend, and driver.... Simply removing the bucket will move the weight back to centered' and mostly help the tractor. However in a rough field, NO loader is better as it beats up the tractor less. Lots of loader tractors end up with broken spindles if plowed in rough fields enough.. I have broken several over the years and worn out several bolsters and pivots on farm grade tractors with loaders. Also seen lots of broken lug bolts from dragging the tires sideways...
And.. there is the loader frame, always in the way for maintaining the tractor, and blocking vision...
However, needing the loader is always a NOW event and having it on is always good for quick moving of equipment.
so.. your danged if you do, danged if you dont.
A quick tach bucket is really the best compromise.
The Dukester
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All,I ever had was a No. 31 McCormick loader for my Farmall H or Super M, but anyhow, I never tried to do any field work with either tractor with the loader on but pick stones. You could leave the mounting frame on the tractor and just drop the main arms, lifting cylinders and bucket/manure forks assembly pretty easy on these outfits, but I usually took the whole unit off before I did any field work.
2002sliverado
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I will have to agree with the others who suggest total removal. If this is not an option, at least removing the bucket will help considerably. We have a 4230 with a Westendorf WL-44 front end loader. It has the quick tach mounting up front, so removing the bucket is quite easy. I would rather not have that weight causing additional compaction on the front of that tractor, particularly while using it for planting. Most other operations, in my opinion, are not as critical. That 4230 I mentioned; we do not use it for planting. It does some light disking in the fall and hauls some grain in the fall. In the spring, it is on the seed tender, running the orbit motor on the brush auger and occasionally lifting bulk seed totes with the forklift attachment. If I was using that tractor for planting, I would probably drop the loader completely off the tractor. I also do not like that loader "banging" around unnecessarily either.
495man
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Loader comes off for field work. Did it for years, and still do it, with a pin on style that doesn't have parking stands, use overhead hoist to support it. Takes 20 minutes to take off and about 30 minutes to put on. Had a job one year that took 2 minutes but 50 minutes mounting/dismounting loader....
plan loader work around field work, do loader jobs when loader on, field work when off.
Also have a QA loader with parking stands, even with the Euro/Global coupler the loader is removed for field work, comes off in 60 seconds to park anywhere the ground is solid, about 2 minutes to put back on no tools required.
I hate doing field work staring at loader arms....
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