New tractors can sure be a pain in the butt

Bruce from Can. · May 18, 2017

Brand new tractor , needed to use the three point hitch to hook up to the plough.... It won't work. Young lad from the dealership has been wrestling with it for a hour now , looks like he has got it to work. Some codes were not add properly. We don't want to see these tractors when they get old.

tim s · May 18, 2017

And don't forget,, it is "Their" technology..

tim s · May 18, 2017

It would be great if they would make a new tractor that you actually lifted a lever to turn the PTO on, and the gauges were Steward Warner style gauges and the SCV"s and hitch had a real lever hooked to them,,a good solid "basic" tractor, that all the wiring would fit in your lunch bucket....

Moonlite37 · May 18, 2017

Some of the older ones were a pain there too. I had a brother-in-law who farmed about 800 acres with a WD45 and the seat bolt pulled through the pan of the seat. He used a big washer and a square head machine bolt. NNNNNNoooowwq that was a pain. Literally

Traditional Farmer · May 18, 2017

At least the tractor was cheap and came with a lifetime service warranty(LOL)

grayrider · May 18, 2017

Just let a neighbor cut about 25 acres of hay off my place, he had just bought a brand new 4x4 John Deere cab tractor, don't remember the model but it's 70+ horsepower, after 4 hours of operation it shut down on him more than three times, couldn't keep it running, turns out that a diaphragm in the top of the fuel filter kept sticking, what a pain in the butt, seems this is common with JD tractors these days

Adirondack case guy · May 18, 2017

I kinda had to laugh at the service vehicle. I guess a service tech doesn't need to drive a One Ton dully with fully decked out service body. Just needs to carry a laptop, multi-meter, and a brief case with small screwdrivers and special pliers to pull electrical connections apart.
Loren

Dean · May 18, 2017

What a PITA!

Dean

Kajun · May 18, 2017

And that , my friends , is why I recently bought a low-houred-twenty-year-old "Orange" tractor . I am comforted by the hard-wire-kill switch that goes directly to the injector pump , the absence of DCF or SPF [ or whatever ] ,and the absence of any computer that I can find.

But I am discomfited by the fender-mounted-pto control . There has got to be a solenoid somewhere to make that four-inch lever work :>).

MARK ROBKE · May 18, 2017

Bruce,had the 3pt not worked since you bought it,or had you never needed it before ? I probably would have played around with it the first time I got in it,just to try it out !!Mark

showcrop · May 18, 2017

The big trucking companies sell their road tractors before they go off warrantee.

rrlund · May 18, 2017

The older ones can be a pain too. The radiator finally gave up on me in the 1982 White 2-135 Saturday. Got it back together Tuesday afternoon to the tune of $1101.

Eldon (WA) · May 18, 2017

(quoted from post at 13:44:41 05/18/17) It would be great if they would make a new tractor that you actually lifted a lever to turn the PTO on, and the gauges were Steward Warner style gauges and the SCV"s and hitch had a real lever hooked to them,,a good solid "basic" tractor, that all the wiring would fit in your lunch bucket....

My 2011 JD 6100D is about as close as you will get. Lever for the pto, hydraulics are lever operated, digital dash, tho.

big tee · May 18, 2017

No they don't, around here they run them to about 600,000 mi. and then farmers buy them for grain trucks.---Tee

Billy Shafer · May 18, 2017

Doesn't look like any service truck I ever drove. Good friend of mine went to look at new tractors. Looked at the price and gadgets on it. Fiqured he could do allot of repairs for what they cost.

wilson ind · May 18, 2017

some warrentys just might be that long

Kansas4010 · May 18, 2017

Doesn't matter what color it is anymore. They all seem to be trouble. The more complex they become the less reliable they become. Hope it works out for you.

VicS · May 18, 2017

When Dad got a new 4010 Jd . I can remember old Farmers saying. Just wait till it gets some hrs. On it. You won't be able to keep it running. They were O so wrong. We have a gx 126 Kubota. I will pick it first if I am going to be driving it. It has had a hyd valve issue. But I sure wouldn't want to go back to the 4040 JD we traded for it. We also have a 50 hp JD that is 10 yrs old. Not one problem in that time. It is a hydro and cab and air. Has cruise control like a car. Wouldn't want to go back to the 6140 AC either. We will just have to learn how to fix them also.

Philip d · May 18, 2017

We had constant issues with our 125x,throttle cable kept snapping off and the front wheel housings kept cracking. You could almost mark the day on the calandar,1 side than the other every 6 months apart. When the warranty was almost up we traded it because the dealer said each time had we had to pay the bill it would be $3500. The next one we had was a M126x. It seemed great till we lost gears 1-4 on both high and low range. The low end clutch pack went not once but twice a short time apart. The M8200 we had for 15 years was a great tractor but we no longer have any kubotas.

NCWayne · May 19, 2017

Working on equipment, and seeing this kind of thing nearly every day, and having read the replies in this thread, I can say only one thing. As long as people are dumb enough to keep buying the new junk, the manufacturers will continue to make them.

For those that think the EPA, etc are pushing the new technology, you may be partially right. At the same time the manufacturers know that if they make it complicated enough, you'll be forced to call them when it breaks, this guaranteeing their income. In fact I just had to recommend a customer call the dealership the other day to replace something as simple as an electric fuel transfer pump on their excavator. It doesn't sound like a big deal, but it's located on the side of the engine, BEHIND the ECM. Again it doesn't sound bad until you see all of the fuel connections, and other things in the way.

That said, thbe ONLY way out of this is to hit them all in the one place it hurts, their wallet. I can just about guarantee when sales go to nothing, or next to it, for a few years straight, the manufacturers that are jumping all over themselves to make the EPA and their wallets happy, will be telling the EPA where they can shove it, and begging for their customers to come back.

Traditional Farmer · May 19, 2017

When the tractor is made out of plastic it doesn't take much to lift it and parts are light to carry around.

Kickinbull · May 19, 2017

I think they're seeing the fact that new equipment is not selling like it did and in later post Randy's comment about high price parts. 100 % markup on parts in months time is not right.

VicS · May 19, 2017

When Dad got a new 4010 Jd . I can remember old Farmers saying. Just wait till it gets some hrs. On it. You won't be able to keep it running. They were O so wrong. We have a gx 126 Kubota. I will pick it first if I am going to be driving it. It has had a hyd valve issue. But I sure wouldn't want to go back to the 4040 JD we traded for it. We also have a 50 hp JD that is 10 yrs old. Not one problem in that time. It is a hydro and cab and air. Has cruise control like a car. Wouldn't want to go back to the 6140 AC either. We will just have to learn how to fix them also.

markct · May 19, 2017

Haha that's nothing, newer stuff you can spend twice that on a module or sensor!

oldtanker · May 19, 2017

(quoted from post at 14:35:55 05/18/17) At least the tractor was cheap and came with a lifetime service warranty(LOL)

Cheap in todays terms, expensive back then. And that lifetime service warranty expired when AC went under. Maybe wouldn't have been smart but parts and support could have ended there. Could have happened with IHC/Farmall too.

Rick

BarnyardEngineering · May 19, 2017

(quoted from post at 18:12:23 05/18/17) Doesn't matter what color it is anymore. They all seem to be trouble. The more complex they become the less reliable they become. Hope it works out for you.

That's actually not true.

Considering the complexity of modern tractors, it's amazing how few problems they have.

Here is one case of one tractor with a rather minor SOFTWARE problem. Fixed in the field. Sure it took a little while, but that's more on the training/skill of the mechanic than the tractor. Ultimately it's on the dealer for not checking to see that everything worked before delivering the tractor.

All new tractor models have a few with issues right off the lot. Back in the day, that usually meant winching the tractor up on a rollback, hauling it back to the dealer, and tearing some or all of it apart. This was fixed by punching a couple buttons on a computer.

rrlund · May 19, 2017

Ya,I was just glad to get the darned thing so I could get going. $120 of that was shipping to get it here next day. Two day would have been $45. I found one $130 cheaper,but I don't have any idea how long it would have taken to get it here. I could have had it re cored,but that would have taken all week too.

showcrop · May 19, 2017

(quoted from post at 16:54:54 05/18/17) No they don't, around here they run them to about 600,000 mi. and then farmers buy them for grain trucks.---Tee

I bet that Werner is "around here"

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