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It's a Power King 2414 and the engine recently went out. I took it to the repair shop and it is not reparable. The repair man is having a difficult time finding a replacement.

Any ideas on where to look? Already checked with the manufacturer but they did not have one. It's an old tractor from the early 70s, everything else works fine on it.
 
Never heard of a PowerKing.Is this a 'garden' tractor? what kind of engine? 1 or 2 cyl.air cooled? Or multi cyl water cooled? Please post a pic.
 
If you could tell us exactly what is wrong with the engine and why the mechanic thinks it is not repairable it might help.
The engine is a Kohler K321 which is relatively common, and there are lots of good used ones on eeebay.
The crankshaft diameter is 1 1/8 same as a Wheel horse and others.
 
What exactly went out on the engine? The old Kohler K-series engines have a very good reputation
and parts are easily obtainable. There are places on the internet that sell remanufactured short
blocks, the link below being one of them. (I don't know anything about this business other than it
looks like it has something that could work for you.)
Reman K321 for Power King
 
I just typed in power king e-bay has parts there is a forum and looks like there are parts available
 
(quoted from post at 19:54:26 04/27/18) Never heard of a PowerKing.Is this a 'garden' tractor? what kind of engine? 1 or 2 cyl.air cooled? Or multi cyl water cooled? Please post a pic.
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This isn't mine as it's in the shop and I can't find the pic, but here is what it looks like:

power-king-tractor-1978-americanlisted_30159405.jpg


Kohler 14hp

Not too knowledgeable about engines honestly but here is what it looks like:

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(quoted from post at 19:58:16 04/27/18) If you could tell us exactly what is wrong with the engine and why the mechanic thinks it is not repairable it might help.
The engine is a Kohler K321 which is relatively common, and there are lots of good used ones on eeebay.
The crankshaft diameter is 1 1/8 same as a Wheel horse and others.
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He told me over the phone and it went right over my head. I
will have to go to the shop and see for myself.

I only saw one Kohler 321 and it was a few weeks ago. The thing about buying those is that there is no warranty. This particular repair man said he is reluctant to install in case there is an issue with the enginer as he doesn't want to be responsible.

He did say that the engines he found wouldn't fit the crankshaft and a special hub is needed.
 
(quoted from post at 19:58:43 04/27/18) What exactly went out on the engine? The old Kohler K-series engines have a very good reputation
and parts are easily obtainable. There are places on the internet that sell remanufactured short
blocks, the link below being one of them. (I don't know anything about this business other than it
looks like it has something that could work for you.)
Reman K321 for Power King
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I'll have to get back to you with an answer to your question. He told me what went wrong but need to see it in person so it registers. I'm good with computers, not so good with engines. Heh. Thanks for the link, I will check it out
 
What part of the country are you located? I have a quite a few of those style engines around shouldn't be hard to find a good used motor I wouldn't think about anywhere.Although they are getting harder to come by.
 
(quoted from post at 04:06:00 04/28/18)
(quoted from post at 19:54:26 04/27/18) Never heard of a PowerKing.Is this a 'garden' tractor? what kind of engine? 1 or 2 cyl.air cooled? Or multi cyl water cooled? Please post a pic.
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This isn't mine as it's in the shop and I can't find the pic, but here is what it looks like:

power-king-tractor-1978-americanlisted_30159405.jpg


Kohler 14hp

Not too knowledgeable about engines honestly but here is what it looks like:

hqdefault.jpg
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4hp Kohler engines were used in many other lawn mowers, if you look for another block be sure to get one with the special hub that supports the bell housing that the mechanic told you about. All though not visible in any of your pictures he is referring to the round machined support on the left side in your last picture.
 
On the engine there is a data plate.
Write down the "Spec" number.
Might be #6009B

The Spec number tells alot of info as to features that are specific to your tractor.
Some of those specs might be parts that can be transfered from your current engine to a replacement engine that is not the exact sme spec number.
 
That's probably the best answer yet. As others have said the K341 (34 cubic inches, one cylinder, 14 horsepower) was a popular engine and parts support is still out their new, used and aftermarket. They're a
little pricey to rebuild but a good rebuild or a new/NOS/Quality Rebuild short block should last you 3,000 hours, if you take care of it. in prospective in their day some of the old gasoline farm tractors
would only run about 3,000 hours between rebuilds.
 
Check with small engine warehouse in Muncie
Indiana. I got one for a Deere ztr last
year. Very reasonable in my opinion and
quite knowledgeable.
 
(reply to post at 11:33:57 04/28/18)
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Power King 2414, find out from the engine shop just exactly is wrong with your engine write it down take some pictures, inless the rod broke and broke the crankcase its rebuildable I would guess they looked on the computer and it said Kohler no loner supports the K321 and no OEM parts are available but as post just about any part needed is being produced aftermarket asfor finding a replacement engine there are many Kohler K series engines that will work : K301 12hp (I would not go with less HP) will install as will K321's K341"s ( this engine was never OEM but will install, the B&S 32xxx 16hp was used will require a crankshaft adapter sleeve (the B&S has a 1" CS) and was an OEM engine and the Kohler K361 18hp.
GB in MN
 
One of the nicest riding mower, garden tractors ever built. Always wished I could afford one.
 
(quoted from post at 21:24:45 04/27/18) What part of the country are you located? I have a quite a few of those style engines around shouldn't be hard to find a good used motor I wouldn't think about anywhere.Although they are getting harder to come by.
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Upper midwest
 
(quoted from post at 22:02:15 04/27/18)
(quoted from post at 04:06:00 04/28/18)This isn't mine as it's in the shop and I can't find the pic, but here is what it looks like:

power-king-tractor-1978-americanlisted_30159405.jpg


Kohler 14hp

Not too knowledgeable about engines honestly but here is what it looks like:

hqdefault.jpg
Click to expand...
4hp Kohler engines were used in many other lawn mowers, if you look for another block be sure to get one with the special hub that supports the bell housing that the mechanic told you about. All though not visible in any of your pictures he is referring to the round machined support on the left side in your last picture.
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Ok, thanks
 
(quoted from post at 06:38:39 04/28/18) On the engine there is a data plate.
Write down the "Spec" number.
Might be #6009B

The Spec number tells alot of info as to features that are specific to your tractor.
Some of those specs might be parts that can be transfered from your current engine to a replacement engine that is not the exact sme spec number.
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60287D
 
(quoted from post at 10:36:31 04/28/18) That's probably the best answer yet. As others have said the K341 (34 cubic inches, one cylinder, 14 horsepower) was a popular engine and parts support is still out their new, used and aftermarket. They're a
little pricey to rebuild but a good rebuild or a new/NOS/Quality Rebuild short block should last you 3,000 hours, if you take care of it. in prospective in their day some of the old gasoline farm tractors
would only run about 3,000 hours between rebuilds.
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According to the repair man, it is not rebuild-able.

The carb flooded and filled the crank full of gas and the rod was busted.
 
(quoted from post at 11:33:57 04/28/18) Check with small engine warehouse in Muncie
Indiana. I got one for a Deere ztr last
year. Very reasonable in my opinion and
quite knowledgeable.
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Repair man already contacted them but they didn't have anything.
 
(quoted from post at 16:27:10 04/28/18)
Power King 2414, find out from the engine shop just exactly is wrong with your engine write it down take some pictures, inless the rod broke and broke the crankcase its rebuildable
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Finally made it back to the shop and he explained it and that's exactly what happened.

there are many Kohler K series engines that will work : K301 12hp (I would not go with less HP) will install as will K321's K341"s ( this engine was never OEM but will install, the B&S 32xxx 16hp was used will require a crankshaft adapter sleeve (the B&S has a 1" CS) and was an OEM engine and the Kohler K361 18hp.
GB in MN
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Thanks for the suggestions, I will check them out. I received a quote from one place for a 23hp Vanguard. I was told it's a great engine, but a little more than I was looking to pay (approx $2300).
 
Hi
Thanks for the suggestions, I will check them out. I received a quote from one place for a 23hp Vanguard. I was told it's a great engine, but a little more than I was looking to pay (approx $2300).
A B&S Vanguard is not going to install with out lots of machine work and then the hoods not going to fit without major mods
Find a Kohler K series engine the best engine is a K321 14hp its simple just bolt the hogshead to the engine put the clutch in place install the engine and the tractor is ready for years of service
Forget the Honda's B&S Vanguards Kohler Command's unless you have lots of money for major modifications and machine work
GB in MN
 
(quoted from post at 20:15:29 05/04/18)
A B&S Vanguard is not going to install with out lots of machine work and then the hoods not going to fit without major mods
Find a Kohler K series engine the best engine is a K321 14hp its simple just bolt the hogshead to the engine put the clutch in place install the engine and the tractor is ready for years of service
Forget the Honda's B&S Vanguards Kohler Command's unless you have lots of money for major modifications and machine work
GB in MN
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Thanks for the info. Didn't realize that so much extra work would be necessary.

The engine I am replacing is a Kohler K321 14hp. Those are still being made?
 
(quoted from post at 20:27:22 05/04/18)
(quoted from post at 20:15:29 05/04/18)


Thanks for the info. Didn't realize that so much extra work would be necessary.

The engine I am replacing is a Kohler K321 14hp. Those are still being made?
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No they have been out of production for a number of years but there are lots of used one's you might check out type specific groups like Yahoo facebook garden tractor groups you'll have a better chance of finding a K321 they are listed on e bay at times
There are a couple listed on e bay that could be used in a Power King get your old engine from the shop get all the parts you will need some parts for use with a replacement engine. Here's one listing
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Toro-K...RK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
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No they have been out of production for a number of years but there are lots of used one's you might check out type specific groups like Yahoo facebook garden tractor groups you'll have a better chance of finding a K321 they are listed on e bay at times
There are a couple listed on e bay that could be used in a Power King get your old engine from the shop get all the parts you will need some parts for use with a replacement engine. Here's one listing
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Toro-K...RK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
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I thought about going that route as there was a power king engine on ebay a few weeks back, but who knows if the used engine works as promised? The repair man doesn't want to mess with a used engine because he doesn't want to be blamed if there are problems. He suggested at first that he could find a new engine for approx $1300 but has not been able to find one. I am debating whether it's even worth messing with, maybe just sell it without the engine.
 
Just a thought, as an option buy a rebuilt block from the following E bay listing, be sure to tell them the about the boss for mounting the bell housing and the shaft requirement for the clutch assembly. Debs Tractor Parts and Small Engines, advertises on E bay for rebuilt , Kohler, Ecomony engine blocks. Check them out on their E bay listing.
 
There is no special boss for the Power King, just about all the K 301, 321, 341 and K361 engine are machined and have the right hole spacing to accept the hogshead.
 
(quoted from post at 18:24:07 05/05/18) There is no special boss for the Power King, just about all the K 301, 321, 341 and K361 engine are machined and have the right hole spacing to accept the hogshead.
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ell please don't tell the manufacture that, the original block called for in their parts book is Mini block Assembly A-23786. Google "Engine Block Gasoline B-23786-47.782.98-NSN " and take a look for yourself .. the boss is clearly visible in the picture, it stabilizes the end of the hogshead as you call it, with out it the head twist and loosens the mounting bolts.
 
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Well I googled that nothing comes up I have 4 Power Kings have not seen anything and not one of the hogshead are twisting that same hogshead pattern was used on the B&S 23 series and 32xxx plus the Kohlers and with lock washer and proper torque the bolts haven't come loose on any of mine.
 
(quoted from post at 08:24:32 05/05/18) Just a thought, as an option buy a rebuilt block from the following E bay listing, be sure to tell them the about the boss for mounting the bell housing and the shaft requirement for the clutch assembly. Debs Tractor Parts and Small Engines, advertises on E bay for rebuilt , Kohler, Ecomony engine blocks. Check them out on their E bay listing.
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Something like this?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/POWER-KING-Kohler-K321-14-HP-engine-shortblock-rebuilt-remanufactured-core-reqd/281924018845?hash=item41a3fb229d:m:mMu2EiX2l0S8fa8t_tRETsQ
 
(quoted from post at 12:03:59 05/07/18) Why can't he get a used engine and overhaul it? Then he can feel comfortable in guaranteeing his work.
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He doesn't do many rebuilds anymore. He said he would have rebuilt this one if he could, but it's too far gone.
 
Another option would be to sell it. Anyone have an idea how much would the tractor without the engine be worth? (assuming everything else is good)

Debating whether to repower it or just sell it and buy a zero turn as I would use it mostly for cutting grass anyway.
 
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