I often spend my evenings cruising You Tube videos while SWMBO watches her endless police dramas. Started watching one kid trying to resurrect an old Cat D4. He never tried to start it, never tried to see if it would even more if it did start. Just tore EVERYTHING apart because he thought he should. To each their own, but he's putting an incredible amount of work into something he hasn't even checked the tracks and undercarriage on. You have guys like Squatch and then you guys like this. One takes a systematic, planned out, well considered course and one just tears things apart for the sake of tearing them apart I guess. Make no sense to me, but I suppose he makes money this way. Puzzling...
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chuck machinist
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Well there are those that know, and there are those that think they know.Just saying,CM
Geo-TH,In
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Just tore EVERYTHING apart because he thought he should.
Sounds like when I was a kid. I took everything apart just to see how it was build.
Had an old lawnmower that died. I thought the inside of a motor was cool..
Never worried about putting them back together.
When I was 12 I bought a moped in a basket. Put it back together. It ran.
So what's wrong with people that want to take thing apart?
One time I bought a house that was burnt. I started removing the burnt part, then
decided I can put the house back together.
For me, takings apart is a learning experience.
Sounds like when I was a kid. I took everything apart just to see how it was build.
Had an old lawnmower that died. I thought the inside of a motor was cool..
Never worried about putting them back together.
When I was 12 I bought a moped in a basket. Put it back together. It ran.
So what's wrong with people that want to take thing apart?
One time I bought a house that was burnt. I started removing the burnt part, then
decided I can put the house back together.
For me, takings apart is a learning experience.
Mike(NEOhio)
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I used to do that too. Tore stuff apart just to see how it worked. Couldn't always get it back together but always learned something.
Traditional Farmer
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- Virginia
Fools go where Wise men fear to tread.
He will likely learn a great deal just from taking it apart. In time he will learn about systematic troubleshooting and what he should have done, but it sounds like he is not ready for that yet. For now he is learning about how an old junk crawler is constructed and how to use tools at almost zero cost but his time. We all started there. If he wants to learn about machinery then good for him.
used red MN
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- Coon Rapids, MN
You call him a ..kid.. so I will say this, that is much better for
him then tapping his finger repeatedly to blow up candy or
characters in some game on a phone or other game
system.
him then tapping his finger repeatedly to blow up candy or
characters in some game on a phone or other game
system.
redforlife
Well-known Member
Dad was not much of a mechanic. Not a
good enough one to be much of a
teacher anyways. When I tore my first
engine down (as a teen), I didn't know
much about how an engine really
worked. But the engine I did tear
apart, really did need it in order for
it to be fixed. And some how I got the
whole fix/repair like new thing,
stamped in my brain. Along with doing
things by the book.
You know, the funny thing is, I didn't
learn the (only fix what's wrong)
thing untill later when I turned
wrenches for a living and found that
most customers just wanted fixed. Also
learned about the same time to do
things the easiest way possible, and
don't tear something apart more than
what you have to. And I found that
books will often tell you that this or
that needs taken off in order to get
to this, when its not nescisary. An
experienced mechanic can adjust the
procedure to thier ability. I had alot
of trouble in the beginning, doing
things in the alotted shop time. After
I learned what I mentioned, I was
close to alotted shop time doing most
things, and even under on a few
things.
good enough one to be much of a
teacher anyways. When I tore my first
engine down (as a teen), I didn't know
much about how an engine really
worked. But the engine I did tear
apart, really did need it in order for
it to be fixed. And some how I got the
whole fix/repair like new thing,
stamped in my brain. Along with doing
things by the book.
You know, the funny thing is, I didn't
learn the (only fix what's wrong)
thing untill later when I turned
wrenches for a living and found that
most customers just wanted fixed. Also
learned about the same time to do
things the easiest way possible, and
don't tear something apart more than
what you have to. And I found that
books will often tell you that this or
that needs taken off in order to get
to this, when its not nescisary. An
experienced mechanic can adjust the
procedure to thier ability. I had alot
of trouble in the beginning, doing
things in the alotted shop time. After
I learned what I mentioned, I was
close to alotted shop time doing most
things, and even under on a few
things.
All sorts of quotes by famous or not famous people address this, sort of. Like: 'Good judgement comes from experience and
experience comes from bad judgement'; 'Experience comes from making mistakes'; I like this last one by Otto Von Bismark: ' Fools
learn from experience. I prefer to profit from others experience'.
experience comes from bad judgement'; 'Experience comes from making mistakes'; I like this last one by Otto Von Bismark: ' Fools
learn from experience. I prefer to profit from others experience'.
Taking it apart is his choice. Thats fine by me, and yes, you learn that way. But he's making out like he knows what he's doing because he's worked on sports cars. Yeah, you want to learn, fine, tear it apart. But he's already got thousands into it and STILL hasn't done the engine or undercarriage. Just seems backwards to me.
It just all seems like he's got the cart before the horse. To each their own. I guess I just don't see his thought process.
Bruce from Can.
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- Woodville, Ontario, Canada
Probably didnt pay much more for it than what its weight was
worth at the scrap yard. And if he cant fix it, it will still be
worth the same. And if he looses a few bucks, remember that
a education always comes with a price regardless of where or
how you get that education
worth at the scrap yard. And if he cant fix it, it will still be
worth the same. And if he looses a few bucks, remember that
a education always comes with a price regardless of where or
how you get that education
Steve A W
Member
- Location
- Northwest Indiana
My daughter is in a vocational automotive class.
The first thing they did in the shop was tear
apart a junk car.
I've been watching this kid working on the Cat.
First off, He's probably in his mid thirties.
He is going through the systems one at a time
using the Cat service manual.
He could of probably found a better machine but
where's the fun in that?
I'll post a link to his youtube channel.
I watch Squatch also, He is unique in his methods
and mechanical technique.
video link
The first thing they did in the shop was tear
apart a junk car.
I've been watching this kid working on the Cat.
First off, He's probably in his mid thirties.
He is going through the systems one at a time
using the Cat service manual.
He could of probably found a better machine but
where's the fun in that?
I'll post a link to his youtube channel.
I watch Squatch also, He is unique in his methods
and mechanical technique.
video link
Determined
Well-known Member
Sure he could have approached the project differently but like the saying goes you never forget what you learn from a hard lesson.
I am sure there are more than a few of us here that started fixing and wrenching on equipment long before the internet was invented.
You only had a few options back then;
-Make a guess of what or where the problem was and dig in.
-Pay someone to fix it if you had any money.
-Go to a library and maybe find a shop manual for something similar then copy down what you read because they would not loan out reference material.
The first time I tore apart an automatic transmission the only specialty tools I had were a broomstick and a piece of plywood.
No manual, no mentor, no money and a blown transmission in my truck.
I found a used car transmission with a broken case that I bought for $30, I knew it would not fit my 4x4 but I knew most of the guts were the same.
Took them both apart laying everything out on the broomstick and sheet of plywood as I did not have the knowledge or a book to show me what goes where.
Spent a whole day transferring the guts into my case and low and behold I had a truck to drive to work by Monday morning.
I am sure there are more than a few of us here that started fixing and wrenching on equipment long before the internet was invented.
You only had a few options back then;
-Make a guess of what or where the problem was and dig in.
-Pay someone to fix it if you had any money.
-Go to a library and maybe find a shop manual for something similar then copy down what you read because they would not loan out reference material.
The first time I tore apart an automatic transmission the only specialty tools I had were a broomstick and a piece of plywood.
No manual, no mentor, no money and a blown transmission in my truck.
I found a used car transmission with a broken case that I bought for $30, I knew it would not fit my 4x4 but I knew most of the guts were the same.
Took them both apart laying everything out on the broomstick and sheet of plywood as I did not have the knowledge or a book to show me what goes where.
Spent a whole day transferring the guts into my case and low and behold I had a truck to drive to work by Monday morning.
Thats the one. I would have put him at 26-27. People have tried to talk sense to him but it skims right over his head. He's darn near hurt himself a number of times. And he's going to get hurt for sure trying to disassemble the clutch pack. People have told him to go to Squatch for advice. I don't think he has. Big mistake. There's another kid, Salvage Workshop, doing a similar rebuild on a 933 IIRC, but he's using his head a whole lot more and he's talking with Squatch.
While he might be looking through a reprint of the manual, he lacks the Servicemans reference book which would clue him in a lot from what I see. Plus he's trying to use "will fit" bearings instead of what Cat designed the thing for. Cat didn't make any mistakes building the D4's of that era. He's giving it a good go, but he seems more worried about paint than finding out if the undercarriage is any good!
This post was edited by Bret4207 on 10/14/2021 at 07:38 am.
TomA in CA
Member
I have to wonder if you are
talking about PNW Hillbilly and
his D4.
If so, watch the rest of his
videos. Matt really knows his
stuff and is doing a great job.
I too have little use for people
who tear things apart without
completely analysing the condition
and problems. Then they end up
with a pile of parts which will
never go together again.
talking about PNW Hillbilly and
his D4.
If so, watch the rest of his
videos. Matt really knows his
stuff and is doing a great job.
I too have little use for people
who tear things apart without
completely analysing the condition
and problems. Then they end up
with a pile of parts which will
never go together again.
TomA in CA
Member
I bought my first Cat 20 when I was 17 in 1959. The engine was froze up. I got it running with minimal work and dry ice. The undercarriage was shot but I planted my first two crops with it.
Matt's engine was locked up. I would have tried to get it free before ever thinking of removing it. It was an unusual case in that it had no hood and water had gotten in and rusted the lifters, timing gears and destroyed the cam shaft.
If you continue to watch his videos you will see that he has bought a complete engine for $500. People are encouraging him to tear it down first thing. It was supposed to be a good running engine removed in a salvage yard and stored inside for many years. I say if is not locked up, put it in the tractor and go about trying to get it running. We will see what he chooses to do. I say if it ain't broke don't fix it.
At this point he has the service manual, has watched Squatch videos and seems to know where to stop and what to do.
Matt's engine was locked up. I would have tried to get it free before ever thinking of removing it. It was an unusual case in that it had no hood and water had gotten in and rusted the lifters, timing gears and destroyed the cam shaft.
If you continue to watch his videos you will see that he has bought a complete engine for $500. People are encouraging him to tear it down first thing. It was supposed to be a good running engine removed in a salvage yard and stored inside for many years. I say if is not locked up, put it in the tractor and go about trying to get it running. We will see what he chooses to do. I say if it ain't broke don't fix it.
At this point he has the service manual, has watched Squatch videos and seems to know where to stop and what to do.
Crazy Horse
Well-known Member
I always think the same kinds of thoughts after watching my favorite team get beat on TV whether it's basketball, football, hockey or baseball. They shoulda done it differently ..... they're a bunch of dummies .... ha!
Gambles
Well-known Member
Guys, remember one thing. If its on TV, hes getting lots of
money to go through it and tear it down, unlike us guys that
have to pay for everything out of our own pocket. If he put a
battery in the thing and it started right up, how many people
would be glued to the boob-tube to watch that? Its called
entertainment, not a real life reality that us guys have to
follow. The rules are different.
money to go through it and tear it down, unlike us guys that
have to pay for everything out of our own pocket. If he put a
battery in the thing and it started right up, how many people
would be glued to the boob-tube to watch that? Its called
entertainment, not a real life reality that us guys have to
follow. The rules are different.
BarnyardEngineering
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- Rochester, NY
"Lots of money" is a gross overstatement. Just because you have a youtube channel does not mean you are a "TV star making millions."
This guy has 18,500 subscribers, which is NOTHING. What he gets out of youtube might pay for a night out with his wife once a month.
You guys respect Oneloneleyfarmer so much. He has nearly 10X as many subscribers (143K for years) and he has said many times, the income just about pays for the camera equipment.
This guy has 18,500 subscribers, which is NOTHING. What he gets out of youtube might pay for a night out with his wife once a month.
You guys respect Oneloneleyfarmer so much. He has nearly 10X as many subscribers (143K for years) and he has said many times, the income just about pays for the camera equipment.
I caught that, and that seems to be part of his problem- he's letting others decide for him what to do. I'd run the new engine too with out any teardown. I believe there was more than just water in that original engine. That looked like acid had been in the engine to have that much rust on anything exposed and nothing on the rest of it.
He still hasn't looked at the undercarriage that I've seen.
Gambles
Well-known Member
As you said, depends on the hits. My daughter got a couple
hundred bucks (without trying) off of YouTube for a very short video with just a few thousand views. The blow hard , know-nothing Scotty Kilmer allegedly gets hundreds of thousands
per year and he knows nothing and has the messiest work
area Ive ever seen. One good reason to view YouTube with
an ad-blocker.
hundred bucks (without trying) off of YouTube for a very short video with just a few thousand views. The blow hard , know-nothing Scotty Kilmer allegedly gets hundreds of thousands
per year and he knows nothing and has the messiest work
area Ive ever seen. One good reason to view YouTube with
an ad-blocker.
[b:589ff94e89]SCOTTY KILMER[/b:589ff94e89][b:589ff94e89]!!!!!!![/b:589ff94e89] That guy is the worst! Why anyone watches his schtick is beyond me. There are some real winners on there. OTOH, there are some really creative and adept people producing really good videos. Watch "Essential Craftsman" sometime or "South Main Auto", "Watch Wes Work" or "Diesel Creek". Good stuff.
Logan in S.E. Texas
Member
I really enjoy a guy on YouTube, Vehcor is
the channel name. He is in central Illinois
I think. I don't watch Scotty as he is just
too negative and unentertaining.
the channel name. He is in central Illinois
I think. I don't watch Scotty as he is just
too negative and unentertaining.
I was commenting on not understanding his thought process or how he goes about things. He's a hard worker and somewhat clever and I'm doing something similar myself. As far as Andrew, he's a whiner in my opinion. I've watched his stuff and some is interesting, but if you fancy yourself a truck driver then whining about getting a DOT inspection is just...whining.
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