Im wondering if anyone has tried using bin run corn for seed for replant. I am not talking about large amounts of Acres but small drowned out areas of fields after heavy flooding rain event. How was your stand count, germination? Just curious how or if this works . It is tempting to try!
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Tramway Guy
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If the corn was a hybrid variety, it would most likely be a disaster.
chuck from neb
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Only one way to find out you try it
Michael Soldan
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You could have poor germination rates , scrawny plants , corn flowers instead of cobs and tiny cobs or no cobs. You've seen corn come up wild in a bean field the next year..about two feet high. I know its expensive but registered seed is the only way to go
casecollectorsc
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in-too-deep
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Open-pollinated corn will work. Modern,
hybrid corn will not work.
hybrid corn will not work.
Hybrid corn is a F1 hybrid. The seed is created by planting specific parent varieties. The offspring of F1 hybrids are not necessarily true type, meaning many of the plants will not resemble their parents.
Hybrid soybean seed is not commercially feasible so the varieties you plant are open pollinated. Open pollinated seed reproduces fairly close to the parents.
Hybrid soybean seed is not commercially feasible so the varieties you plant are open pollinated. Open pollinated seed reproduces fairly close to the parents.
Bob Bancroft
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I used to haul gravel or sand home after delivering corn. One time my wife requested some sand by the pond. So I brought some home
and dumped it. A few stray kernels of corn sprouted and grew by the edge of the sand pile. The child she was watching at the time
was intrigued, so it was protected. Amazingly, much to everyone's surprise, it produced respectable ears.
and dumped it. A few stray kernels of corn sprouted and grew by the edge of the sand pile. The child she was watching at the time
was intrigued, so it was protected. Amazingly, much to everyone's surprise, it produced respectable ears.
fixerupper
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Go for it. Every time I replant a drowned out spot it drowns out again anyway. If it does not drown out you might have a little grain to harvest but the most omportant part is you will have something growing there for the soil microbes to work on.
jon f mn
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Years ago my brother planted some set
aside acres with bin run corn with the
grain drill. His reason was to be able to
have a cover crop and be able to spray for
weeds. He got special permission to do it.
Was a dry year with poor crops. The
drilled corn was the best corn he had that
year. Was taller than the planted corn
anyway. Not sure what the ears were like.
Because of the serious drought he even got
permission to chop it for silage. We were
surprised at how well a standard corn head
on the chopper worked. That's about all I
can remember of that.
aside acres with bin run corn with the
grain drill. His reason was to be able to
have a cover crop and be able to spray for
weeds. He got special permission to do it.
Was a dry year with poor crops. The
drilled corn was the best corn he had that
year. Was taller than the planted corn
anyway. Not sure what the ears were like.
Because of the serious drought he even got
permission to chop it for silage. We were
surprised at how well a standard corn head
on the chopper worked. That's about all I
can remember of that.
redforlife
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Open pollinated probly be alright.
Hybrid, you'd just be wasting your
time.
My area, hardly anyone plants open
pollinated. All hybrid. If you went to
the elevator and got some bin run corn
from there, it'd more less be all
hybrid, and no open pollinated on it.
A lot of farmers don't plant thier
left over seed from last year. Don't
trust the germination to stay good
from one year to the next. I think I'd
plant my left over seed (or somebody
else's), before I'd even think about
bin run.
When round up ready soybeans and such
came out, it was a big NO NO to
harvest and save back your own seed.
Not sure if there is any such
stipulations on corn.
Hybrid, you'd just be wasting your
time.
My area, hardly anyone plants open
pollinated. All hybrid. If you went to
the elevator and got some bin run corn
from there, it'd more less be all
hybrid, and no open pollinated on it.
A lot of farmers don't plant thier
left over seed from last year. Don't
trust the germination to stay good
from one year to the next. I think I'd
plant my left over seed (or somebody
else's), before I'd even think about
bin run.
When round up ready soybeans and such
came out, it was a big NO NO to
harvest and save back your own seed.
Not sure if there is any such
stipulations on corn.
In my past experience it works pretty good. Several years ago I was custom planting for a neighbor and he ran out of seed (underestimated his acreage), sold him a bag of seed I had left over. Ran out again, so he went to the corn crib and started hand shelling some ears. By the time we got the field done, him and his wife must have shelled a bushel or so seed from the crib. When it came up you couldn't tell much difference in the corn, he thought when he picked it that fall it yielded better than any of the bought seed. I was using a finger pickup (JD 7000) planter so sizing for a plate wasn't a big concern.
I did same thing a couple years ago for a variety that was no longer available. Did a germination test myself - was about 98%. Only problem is if the corn your going to use was mechanically shelled (combine or sheller) you need to get any cracked kernels out or you will have skips. Cracked grain won't grow. Awfully hard to get all the cracked grain out with a standard cleaner. Even with some skips that field had a respectful yield.
I did same thing a couple years ago for a variety that was no longer available. Did a germination test myself - was about 98%. Only problem is if the corn your going to use was mechanically shelled (combine or sheller) you need to get any cracked kernels out or you will have skips. Cracked grain won't grow. Awfully hard to get all the cracked grain out with a standard cleaner. Even with some skips that field had a respectful yield.
coonie minnie
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If you plant anything other than non-GMO, I'm guessing you signed a technology agreement. Those typically state you will not use your crop for seed or face the consequences. That could be a concern. Corn
that was dried with high temperature drying would likely have germination issues as well.
that was dried with high temperature drying would likely have germination issues as well.
Silage would be about the only good use of bin run corn seed. These second generation hybrid seeds tend to split up into 4 erratic types and 3/4 of them are not good yielding.
Aside from the legal issues.
Hybrid plants are set to create a feild of identical twins out in the field, all plants the same for yield and strength and so forth which leads to high yields. But the next generation from those seeds are a new mash up of odd irregular features.
Paul
Aside from the legal issues.
Hybrid plants are set to create a feild of identical twins out in the field, all plants the same for yield and strength and so forth which leads to high yields. But the next generation from those seeds are a new mash up of odd irregular features.
Paul
Non-hybrid corn. The seed produced is pretty much the same as the parent plants. IOW, you buy seed once and save your own. Traditionally you planted and then harvested the seed from the plants you found most desirable. Over time you create a plant that does well for you and your specific needs on your specific land. Or so the theory goes.
No one "owns" OP seed, no rules, no regulations, no slimy freakin' lawyers waiting to teach you a lesson about messing with big business.
When I was still farming I planted some 10 year old corn with no problems. Took several years to get enough of a certain size for plates so held what was left untill I got enough to partilly fill a box and had different varieties in different boxes. And in combining beams I would find the single stock that came up in the beans would have a nice ear. And no i never used roubd up. I had it sprayed both be seller and myself on whead ground for quack grass and it never killed a single stalk of the quack grass.
A guy I know had a neighbor who purchased one bag of seed corn a
year and mixed it with corn he had saved from the last year from
the best looking corn plants. His corn fields were dotted with
with good looking plants (from the seed corn) among the rest of
the corn in the field that was not near as good looking. He then
saved the ears from the best looking plants to shell and plant
with one bag of hybrid seed corn the next year. And again each
year after year. I do know from saving seeds from hybrid string-
less pole beans, the beans grew super, BUT the resulting beans had
strings like strong rope. I believe hybrid plants are the last
cross and will not behave like open pollinated corn (for example)
saved seed. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
year and mixed it with corn he had saved from the last year from
the best looking corn plants. His corn fields were dotted with
with good looking plants (from the seed corn) among the rest of
the corn in the field that was not near as good looking. He then
saved the ears from the best looking plants to shell and plant
with one bag of hybrid seed corn the next year. And again each
year after year. I do know from saving seeds from hybrid string-
less pole beans, the beans grew super, BUT the resulting beans had
strings like strong rope. I believe hybrid plants are the last
cross and will not behave like open pollinated corn (for example)
saved seed. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
redforlife
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Well, I'm not sure if I can give a proper description. But here goes.
Corn reproduces right? The seed being it's off spring. I think open pollinated is where the seed is basically the same (as in genetics) as it's parent stalk. Same corn can be reproduced year after year, and still be the same corn.
Hybrids on the other hand, is cross pollinated. Ends up with genetics from two different parent stalks, ending up being a cross. A cross where only the genetics will be beneficial to that one generation. If allowed to reproduce again, the genetics that it has (to do better) will be lost in its offspring. Can only be duplicated in reproduction by it's parents. For hybrids, quality of reproduction can be all over the map. Could go from exceptional good genetics of the parent plant, to terribly bad, mediocre, you name it. Usually never as good, always worse, and not uniform.
Not sure if I understand it myself, or explained it right, but I think I did good enough for you to get that point.
Google corn pollination and read about it yourself. As well as open pollination, and cross pollinated, and hybrid corn if you want to understand it further.
Corn reproduces right? The seed being it's off spring. I think open pollinated is where the seed is basically the same (as in genetics) as it's parent stalk. Same corn can be reproduced year after year, and still be the same corn.
Hybrids on the other hand, is cross pollinated. Ends up with genetics from two different parent stalks, ending up being a cross. A cross where only the genetics will be beneficial to that one generation. If allowed to reproduce again, the genetics that it has (to do better) will be lost in its offspring. Can only be duplicated in reproduction by it's parents. For hybrids, quality of reproduction can be all over the map. Could go from exceptional good genetics of the parent plant, to terribly bad, mediocre, you name it. Usually never as good, always worse, and not uniform.
Not sure if I understand it myself, or explained it right, but I think I did good enough for you to get that point.
Google corn pollination and read about it yourself. As well as open pollination, and cross pollinated, and hybrid corn if you want to understand it further.
BarnyardEngineering
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- Rochester, NY
I don't think you'd want to plant corn from Roundup ready varieties, or anything with a patented trait either, due to the risk of lawsuit.
redforlife
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I rent out my row crop acres on share. So, therefore I don't plant my own corn. If I did, I wouldn't have one bit of concern using 1 year old left over seed corn. I'd maybe do the window seal germination test on a few kernels, to make sure it didn't go from 90 percent germination down to 30 or 40.
If kept clean and dry, I wouldn't anticipate a problem.
I would also blend it with some new seed of the same size and variety if possible when I planted it. I don't know why. I guess if a problem occurred, the problem would be mixed into the field and more less become a population problem, and not a F-ed up row, or area in the field.
If kept clean and dry, I wouldn't anticipate a problem.
I would also blend it with some new seed of the same size and variety if possible when I planted it. I don't know why. I guess if a problem occurred, the problem would be mixed into the field and more less become a population problem, and not a F-ed up row, or area in the field.
Thirty years or more ago I was nearing the end of planting corn and I saw that I was going to be a little short on seed to finish a field. Not wanting to buy another bag of hybrid seed I shelled off a gallon or so of flat seeds from ear corn (grown for feed) stored in a picker wagon. I planted it in one row of my four row planter. It sprouted and grew well along side the hybrid. As it reached tassel stage,you could notice that the plant height was not uniform as was the hybrid. It pollinated well and produced ears that were as good as the hybrid it was growing with.
A couple years ago I experimented with a very, very small plot of ground that I planted with seed from the best and biggest ears from a very good hybrid I had grown. This time, the crop grown from saved seed from hybrid was a failure. From my experience, trying to grow saved seed from a hybrid will be a crap shoot. You may win, you may lose.
A couple years ago I experimented with a very, very small plot of ground that I planted with seed from the best and biggest ears from a very good hybrid I had grown. This time, the crop grown from saved seed from hybrid was a failure. From my experience, trying to grow saved seed from a hybrid will be a crap shoot. You may win, you may lose.
1948CaseVAI
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Depending on the hybrid and owner of the patent it may be illegal to use it for seed. The fine could be large.
The older non rated for chemicals should be OK to plant but not from the seed for like round up ready ot I think Liberty link but I have not bought seedfor 15 years so I do not know what is all avaible now. I know I never bought any of what they called a racehorse varity. It had to be out for a few years before I would take a chance on it. And I only used premergence sprayes on either corn or beans.
GeneMO
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- Pilot Grove, Mo.
Seed corn is a hybrid. Soybeans area not.
GeneMO
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- Pilot Grove, Mo.
There are tons of places selling open pollinated and non-GMO seed. It seems pretty high to me. Mostly selling for $80 for 20 pounds.
Reeds yellow dent is an old variety. My dad got a wild hair back in the early 80's and planted it for several years. Yielded very well. But that was back in 38" rows, and 120 bu/acre was considered a good crop. We had an old neighbor that had and old, old fashioned seed house, seed cleaners, etc. Sold lots of Red clover, Oats, alfalfa, etc. Also grew the open pollinated corn. I actually think there might be a market for it in the day and age.
Gene
Reeds yellow dent is an old variety. My dad got a wild hair back in the early 80's and planted it for several years. Yielded very well. But that was back in 38" rows, and 120 bu/acre was considered a good crop. We had an old neighbor that had and old, old fashioned seed house, seed cleaners, etc. Sold lots of Red clover, Oats, alfalfa, etc. Also grew the open pollinated corn. I actually think there might be a market for it in the day and age.
Gene
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