From CDL life. A story about an overloaded truck and no oversize permits. Look at the citation at the bottom for overload weight. Oooopps. Needed a stealth truck.
Overloaded truck. 4340 dollars owed
Overloaded truck. 4340 dollars owed
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Bob Bancroft
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I just had an 11 shank, 12000#, 14' wide chisel plow hauled from Wisconsin to NY. Because of all the requirements and restrictions it cost $7000.
My neighbor recently hauled a light load from out of state with his 1 ton pickup and trailer. He was not overweight, length, no unsecured load, nothing. But he didn't realize his class A license was only good in state. The obvious thing that got him was no DOT number on his truck. By the time DOT go done with him, several violations added up to $3500.
My neighbor recently hauled a light load from out of state with his 1 ton pickup and trailer. He was not overweight, length, no unsecured load, nothing. But he didn't realize his class A license was only good in state. The obvious thing that got him was no DOT number on his truck. By the time DOT go done with him, several violations added up to $3500.
caterpillar guy
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I have to question how they weighted him and the accuracy of it. If they didn't put something the same thickness as the scale pads under the rest of the wheels it is not even close to correct. IF you drive on a 1/2 inch thick scale with just 3 axles and the rest are not up there with them they will pull down unevenly causing the figures to be skewed. Thus not accurate. Besides here with a few more axles he would be legal on the weight. His permit would have been able to go to 40,000 per tandem on the truck and trailer if had had them. That would have saved him a bit. Fines must have gone up a lot since I was last on the road. MI can charge in some counties as much as a 1.00 per pound.
Traditional Farmer
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You're not kidding in VA he'd of had to sell the rig to pay he fine
Jim.ME
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Regardless of the few pounds it might be skewed if they didn't weigh, or shim, all axles at the same time. If you read the article, it said HE DID NOT HAVE A PERMIT. A few more axles in that case would not save him a thing, they would just add to the overweight total and increase his fine.
Dan in North Houston
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Roughly how much would a permit for something like that cost?
Jim.ME
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Depends on where and how far he was moving it, might have been $100 or less. If he was crossing jurisdictions, there could be multiple permits required. Besides the permit cost there might be specific routes, hours of travel, and escorts involved. He was apparently trying to avoid all those things.
Aaron SEIA
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Because the permits make it safe...
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I know in Oklahoma when you get a permit you have to have the equipment that can safely carry the load - max load per axle and tire are part of the permit process. Second the state sets you on a route that has the bridges and height clearance to handle the weight and height of the load. Third - no travel at night.
Your boss is wrong - you can be weighed just about anywhere. They have wheel scales or direct you to the nearest weigh station. They can also look up the piece of equipment you are hauling - nearly all have a base weight.
Your boss is wrong - you can be weighed just about anywhere. They have wheel scales or direct you to the nearest weigh station. They can also look up the piece of equipment you are hauling - nearly all have a base weight.
DoubleO7
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So your saying he actually weighed way more than what the field weight with portables registered?
BarnyardEngineering
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Permits are to help pay for the extra wear and tear on the roads, NOT safety. I don't care what the permit says. If does say "Safety" it's only because average truckers can't wrap their heads around "wear and tear on the roads" because they can't see any wear and tear after driving through.
This post was edited by BarnyardEngineering on 12/12/2022 at 07:38 am.
This post was edited by BarnyardEngineering on 12/12/2022 at 07:38 am.
DoubleO7
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What about safety of others on the road encountering an over width load?? Day or night?
How about over height load causing damage to bridges, busting powerlines, etc.
BarnyardEngineering
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How does a piece of paper and money affect any of that?
It doesn't.
Being a responsible truck driver with proper signage, flagging, pilot vehicles if necessary, knowing your load, knowing your route, is how you ensure safety.
The piece of paper does not make sure you do any of that, and the money you pay for the piece of paper does not entice you to do any of that.
DoubleO7
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I see...
So there should be more fines for over width, over length, over height, axle spacing, running at the wrong time, running a bad-for-load route, no proper escort(s) for the load, etc., etc.
Appears the officer let that Georgia violator off very easy or there are no fines for any of those petty violations.
BarnyardEngineering
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If the driver was in violation of any/all regulations that aren't superseded by the overweight violation, sure. Throw the book at 'em!
The article says "multiple violations," but only shows the ticket for the overweight violation. We have no idea what else the driver was cited for because the article does not say.
The facebook post from the Georgia Department of Public Safety says, "an oversized load traveling after the required shutdown time. Officer Thompson conducted an inspection and discovered that the company did not have a permit to travel on the road, oversized and overloaded." So they probably got 'em for multiple violations.
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