$10 corn, $20 beans??

Heard on the news that much of the nations corn and soybean crop has been destroyed or damaged. Now I know the flooding has been terrible in many states, as well as cold conditions much of the spring to make planting problems. Are things in other states besides Iowa really that bad??
If that is true, people with a decent crop could make some serious money this fall if prices do go higher.
 
Things in south-central and south-eastern Nebraska arent near as bad as Iowa but they're not very good. In many areas fields have turned into several acre lakes and others have large canyons running through them from where the water ran. A lot of the farmers had a hard time planting with the cold spring and such. Combo that with the recent storms knocking over several pivots and flooding things, it makes for a bleak outlook for many people.
 
Farmers around here are going to cash in on the loss, seems like that's all they can talk about - 9 to 12 corn! What kind of area do I live in.. jeesh!
 
Good share of the mid west states are having problems. Missouri and Iowa both have had way to much rain just when it was time to plant. Hay if a person can get enough drys days to bale will be good but again because of the rain may not be as good as it would be because its tall but may not have all the nutriantes (sp) it should
Hobby farm
 
Saw somewhere this week a chart of corn prices, adjusted for inflation, in modern times.

Corn's peak was 1973 with (inflation adjusted to today's dollars) $14 corn.
 
Here in the Waco Texas area the corn is tastled out and it hasn't been to dry to make cob. I would say that 90% of what was cotton, winter wheat and milo last year is corn this year. We got flooded out 3 times between April 1 and June 1 last year. Perhaps this crop will make up for the disaster last year.
 
Minnesota was very wet & very cold this spring. We still have had few if any 80 degree days. I have nothing to complain about, could get near an average crop, if it dries down & warms up a little. But there is _no_ record crop out here in Minnesota, there are too many wet holes & unplanted spots. Last year the corn was knee high on June 4th & tasseled July 6th.... This year, today, corn is still in the 4-5 leaf stage, couple inches tall. There will be no record yields, we can still hope for close to average.

Indiana & Iowa are hit with severe flooding, they are both high yielding states,s o their loss will be deeply felt.

We have had bad flooding back in 1993, and other years. But that is often snow melt to start with, and happens in early May. We have time to plant - at least soybeans - then. This year, the flooding is mid-June. Too late to plant more corn & have any yield, so corn is pretty well set - what is is what will be.

I personally feel we will get lots of soybeans yet, tho it is quite late to plant, will be reduced yield but may be many more acres than expected....

Practically, it all comes down to how August is. It it is too dry, too wet, or too cold in August, we will have a real poor crop all across the country. That is a little scary.

If we have a better than average fall, a lot of crop will recover some, and these prices will drop, yields will get closer to average.

My fear is the govt will step in and 'do something' to lower food costs.

this would be a disaster. You would get instant farmers out of buisness, you would depress the only segment of the ecconomy that is booming, you would have little reason to grow any crops at all in 2009 - what would we eat in 2010?????

These grain prices will have enough problems in the USA and the world. Artificially lowering them by govt action would be an even bigger disaster long term.

--->Paul
 
Around me, some corn is looking very good; other is still under water and planted late. Beans look the least affected. Other parts of the ste could be different--better or worse.

Larry in Michigan
 
If you subscribe to the historic 30 year commidity cycle
corn will go up more and peak in 09 and the price of commidities will crash in late 09 or early 10.Usually just before a crash 'Everyone' will agree the price can never go down for a long list of reasons.We're headed for some very interesting economic times.
 
It's all a conspiracy by big business, speculators and crooked politicians. China and India have also infiltrated the market.
These greedy fat cats are making a fortune of the backs of the working people.
Write your senator and rep now and make the government hold prices down or subsidize them.
It's our right to have product at below cost and in unlimited amounts.
Better run, I hear a black helicopter coming for me.................... it's all a plot by the higher up I tell you.They have weather control you know.
 
Well here in Southern Wi we have had over 13 inches of rain in the last 5 days.Trying to clean up after the mess.Have not even looked at the futures.We are just praying for some dry weather.Hope every one is safe.Mike
 
There are probably well over 10,000 acres in central Illinois that has not had a thing put in the ground yet and a lot of fields where 10% of the corn is gone, and another 25% is yellow, stunted and struggling.
 
Turn the pool heater back up Buick...that way the infrared cameras on the helicopter will be overwhelmed and won't be able to pick out where you're sitting in your house.
 
The news was saying, because of these few states, most of the worlds corn crop is destroyed. The sky is falling. Every state has some corn crop, as does most of the world. Fn-news
 
Oh, I'm confident the guvment would have a visionary plan that would solve the whole problem immediately. Just like Barack's brilliant gasoline price strategy- put a windfall profits tax on the oil companies, forcing them to curtail domestic production and drive prices up even further. He seems like a smart guy- why can't he get a clue?
 
They are growingcorn and wheat an oats out here in Oregon like there was tomorrow. I feel there will be an overage in these this year and the profit will fall.
Will have to see what happens later this year when the crops come in.
Walt
 
Its not all that good of a year so far,but it could be lots worse.You cant hardly listen to the news any more.Theres lots of corn thats not hurt even in years when there are floods.Not enough rain is worse than too much,most of the time.When theres not enough rain it hurts the corn on the hill ground that hardy ever gets flooded,as well as corn in the flood plain.As long as it gets planted,and doesnt get too much rain to where it kills it from water standing on it,theres lots of corn growing now.I dont think that anybody would want to see a year that all of the corn was flooded.Or even if most of it was flooded.Lots of other stuff would be underwater,like most roads,and lots of towns.
 
China was wrapped up in this ethanol thing too, but they have the sense to quit when need be.

As pork prices soar, Chinese put brakes on corn for ethanol
With a famine less than 50 years in its past, China remains sensitive about using food for fuel.
By Peter Ford Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
from the May 31, 2007 edition


Reporters on the job: Peter Ford shares the story behind the story.

John Nordell – StaffBeijing - Ethanol production has put the Chinese government in an unpleasant bind, as fears rise that the environmentally friendly gasoline additive is also fueling politically dangerous increases in the price of food – particularly pork, a key staple.

With the ethanol industry gobbling up a growing share of China's corn harvest, authorities have stomped on the brakes to slow what one official report calls "blind" investment in distilleries.

"China cannot sacrifice food security for energy: that seems to be the majority view in the government now," says Zhang Zhongjun, deputy head of the Beijing bureau of the United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO).

Prime Minister Wen Jiabao offered the latest sign of government concern when he made a highly publicized visit last weekend to a piggery and a meat market in Xi'an, about 750 miles southwest of Beijing. The price of pork has gone up by 29 percent over the past year and the price of live pigs by 71 percent, according to the Agriculture Ministry.

In a country where people eat more pork than anywhere else in the world except Germany, that jump in the price of a staple has dominated recent headlines and sparked grumbling.

"The government is going all out to ensure the supply of pork and keep it affordable," Mr. Wen reassured a supermarket crowd, according to the Xinhua state news agency.

"The Chinese government is very sensitive to this," says Hu Xingdou, a political analyst at the Beijing Institute of Technology. "They are afraid that rising prices will affect social stability. They have not forgotten that inflation was an important reason for people to get involved in the events of 1989," when students led massive protests in Tiananmen Square.

Industry analysts blame the price rises partly on a shortage of pigs in the wake of outbreaks of "blue-ear disease" around China.

Though the authorities have publicly admitted to only 300 deaths, they have privately reported 100,000 mortalities to international agencies, and even that figure is not credible, say experts.

"Several million pigs may have died, we just don't know," says one international expert familiar with the situation. Chinese farmers raised 465 million pigs last year.

At the root of the problem, though, say agriculture analysts, is the rising cost of pig feed, which is comprised mostly of corn. Despite a bumper crop last year, corn prices have risen by nearly 30 percent over the past nine months on the Dalian Commodities Exchange.

That, says Luo Yunbo, head of the food-science department at China Agriculture University, is because "corn is being sought for industrial purposes, such as ethanol, not just agricultural use."

Pushback on ethanol

Ethanol has been trumpeted as the alternative fuel of the future, offering cleaner energy and new opportunities for farmers in developing countries.

China's current Five Year Plan sets the goal of using biofuels for 15 per-cent of the country's transport needs by 2020; already gas stations in a number of provinces mix 10 percent ethanol into the gasoline they sell.

But critics around the world have recently begun to question the unconsidered effects of large-scale ethanol production, such as increasing competition for human or animal food supplies. And in China, where an estimated 30 million people died in a famine less than 50 years ago, many have reservations about using food for fuel.

As ethanol factories large and small have sprung up in China's corn producing regions in recent years, they have begun to compete with animal-feed manufacturers for raw materials.

The industrial use of corn nearly doubled between 2001 and 2005, to 23 million tons, according to a study released last December by the National Development and Reform Committee, China's chief economic planning agency. That represented 16.5 percent of the corn harvest in 2005.

The result, said the report, is a shortage of corn. "Corn supplies to the processing industry compete with supply for [animal] feed, which impacts the development of stock-breeding."

The proportion of China's corn crop used for nonfood purposes is dwarfed by the 30 percent of American corn that goes into ethanol, and Chinese ethanol production – estimated at 3.7 million tons by the Louisiana State University Agriculture Center in 2005 – was a quarter of US levels.

But "China is different," argues the FAO's Mr. Zhang. "America and Brazil have huge land areas and plenty of water," he points out. "China has shortages of water and arable land, and it is a deficit country," importing more grain than it exports.

Debate in China picking up speed

In the ongoing debate among Chinese leaders and scholars about the value of ethanol and biofuels, "more and more people think that China's potential is not so big, that China cannot use food for fuel because food security is more important than energy and because food is politically very important," Zhang says.

Such arguments convinced the government to slap new controls on the corn-processing industry late last December, suspending all investment projects still in the pipeline and insisting that all future ethanol projects should apply for approval from state planning agencies.

The continuing rise in corn prices since the beginning of this year suggests that the central government is having its usual difficulty in controlling developments in China's provinces. But the crisis has not deterred the authorities from pursuing other ethanol distilling projects and biofuel experiments.

A state-owned grain and oils conglomerate will launch a pilot project later this year to process cassava – a starchy tuber that is not considered a food in China – into ethanol. Plans are also under way to plant tens of thousands of acres of jatropha – also inedible and grown in wastelands – by the end of the decade.

One principle must rule the development of China's alternative fuel industry, the National Development and Reform Committee insists: "a guarantee that foodgrains are not the main source" of its raw materials.
 
You are correct. We shouldn"t push poor trucker40 over the edge. He means well but things get a little sideways at times.
 
They wouldn"t even need infared cameras to find the pool. I could feel the wave of heat on my face when opening the pool fence door.
 

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