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URGH!!!

Next week sometime, I've gotta put tires and tubes on my grain truck. 10.00 X 20s.

Gotta haul wheat, the elevator is 40-50 miles away and I just don't trust 'em anymore.

Uff-da!! Ya think that isn't gonna curl the corners of the ol' checkbook? :>(

Allan

What about using recaps?

Morning Allan.

Yeah them rubber tires are getting so high I think we're gonna have to go back to using steel wheels.

I need a couple of pair of tractor fronts and I keep putting it off hoping tires would come back down a little. Don't look like it's gonna happen.

Rubber went high with the oil but when oil came down the tires stayed right up there.

Gary

Can you stand a slightly smaller tire? Check the link below out. A little more hunting might find your size...
8.25 X 20

Can you stand a slightly smaller tire? Check the link below out. A little more hunting might find your size...Hey he has them in 10.00 X 20 too! At $220 each...
8.25 X 20

Best thing you could do is throw them antique suicide rims away and go tubeless

Do you ever wonder why the roadside ditches aren't half full of rubber from all of the tires that wear down. One of those things to ponder in life...

"Uff da"??

Are you Norge?

Stan

Good idea to keep decent tires on a grain truck. About 15 yrs ago a local farmer I grew up with blew a front tire on his loaded truck and hit a tree. Had a big funeral a few days later cause he was very well liked. Pete

did you catch my other post on used buss tires thet must have more tread at take off than others

sorry allan there going to hit ya kind of hard, i just put some on my dump truck, 11;00 24'5 that being said there nearly all made by the china man these days and in pricing, i found of all places western auto was 75 bucks a tire cheaper than the big tire stores, dont go with recaps, i stopped running them and wont ever buy another, the savings is about 100 a tire i used them on my dump truck because in that kind of work, you always ruin tires you never wear them out rebar, pieces of iron ect on jobsites always take them out, but something has changed in the process, the last 8 i had ran rough and the longest lasted about 7 thousand miles, the caps seperate and not due to being underinflated or run hot there is no savings when you have to by 3 recap tires to last as long as 1 virgin tire, just be very careful when inflating those things you know how to do it, dont cut corners there

good luck finding new 10-20s they are hard to get. may have to go with new rims and tubeless

Just a thought, if you have a good tire dealer that services a lot of road trucks...ask about take off's and trade ins. A good used virgin tire beats a new recap every time in my 33 years of trucking. My guess is that for the same type of money you can go to used tubeless virgin tires and have the same service life.

I did that in early '06, 2 used, but virgin (oxymoron saying it that way LOL ) rubber 10.00 x20's for the front, then 4 recaps on the back.

Unfortunately, the place I go to, across the street, a diesel repair and tire shop, well known for quality work and real high $$$ bills, somewhere around $1700, well that's also including used rims, as I had the split or 2 piece, w/ 8.25 x 20's, + he had to make up the lug bolts and or do some machining, something about hub pilot, stud pilot, one or the other etc. Seeing that link below, could have done much better with the same size I suppose, he said they were obsolete. I had a guy who would work on those rims too, but I figure I'm better off without that headache, color of the rims match the truck too, must have been off a and old fire truck.

Good luck with the hauling, I know the distance, I hauled 85 tons of oats about the same mileage, sure stops you in the field with 1 truck, but for corn this fall, someone closer with bins and dryers, took all 200 acres worth, he was done before thanksgiving, with the somewhat warm temps and not too much rain, fields were easy to work this year, last spring we had to use a dozer to smooth em out again. I was glad he had help for that gig, daytime job has been taking a toll.

If it was a truck I was going to keep I wouuld put on 11.00 x 22.5 tubless. Rims are plentiful now. Same outside diameter as 10.00 x20. In fact you can run them dualed together. Mark

Why are they not 8.25x20 on that truck?
No way recaps...
Seems that any modern tire over 5 years old is suspect any more. Especially if they have sat out in the sun. How about take-offs from some place that high mileage in a short time, like local school bus?

Two years ago I bought a bunch of tires for tractor fronts, wagon wheels, etc. Seemed a bit much at the time.....

Sure looks good now! Have a couple left to use.

Just bought an old truck, not sure it was a smart move, but it has 6 good tires on it, only 3 years old with only grain hauling on them.

--->Paul

We quit using re-caps on our moving trucks a few years ago - the cost savings weren't really there as opposed to new tires. Of couse you can only use recaps on the drives not the steers. If available we use Michelin or Bridgestone on the fronts, Yokhamas (sp) on the rears.

If you are going to replace all tires, do like someone recommended, update rims...it was just discussed on NAT recently, the tires are about $250, can get wheels/tires off a used truck (someone updating to aluminum usually) for around $300...and you will be able to find tires easily afterwards, those 10.00 x 20's are getting tougher to find.

This is the right time of the year to put recaps on if you want to use recaps.I bought quite a few recaps from a place that used Michelin tread in Kansas City.TCI which was Bandag around here.They lasted good as long as I used my carcasses.The carcasses had to be newer than 5 years old and it took about 3 weeks to get them back.You couldnt even tell some of them were recaps.If you put recaps on when its hot you most likely will have one or more that will fail.Also if you look long and hard for tubeless wheels you are better off with tubeless 11.00x22.5 which are the same size around as 10.00x20.You have a lot more kinds of tires to choose from then and might even be able to find some take offs that size.By the time you buy new tubes and pay to have those split rims changed you might even save money over the 10.00x20 tires because they are hard to find and high priced when you do.Split rims were outlawed.They arent being made new since back in the 1980s.Once they all go to the junkyard there wont be any more of them.Way more tires to choose from on tubeless wheels and the tubeless will run a whole lot farther,run cooler,have better tread designs,and be easier to find if you ruin one.You just want to get tires that are good for gravel roads if you run on gravel roads mostly.Highway tires are made of harder rubber and gravel will tear them up.

Bandag (Band-Aids) never worked for cross-country driving...IF you were really running it night and day..(Team)...
We tried a Full set of their "New & Improved" Bandag caps on one trailer and headed to Shakey...by the time we were back to OKC, we had thrown ALL 8 of them...!!!

Might be OK for a grain truck that never sees freeway speeds or long miles..but that is about all..

Ron..

Does your truck have spoke or (Dayton) type wheels? If so buy you some tubeless wheels and mount 11R22.5 or 27585R22.5 tires. You will be glad that you did.

We always just went to the salvage yard and bought a set off a wrecked one when needed cheaper and the change over was a whole 15 minutes . And as far as caps if you find a good retreader they will last as I wore out quite a few sets of drive caps only lost one bacause I picked up a nail and it over heated and popped

I'm a gambling man. I say Allen won't take ya'lls
advice and will, buy the 20.s. Any takers?

Gordo

ha.. if you were not far from where I am I could come out help with my own truck..

MARKET ALERT!!!

Allan is gonna sell is wheat, flood the market, and drive the price down another dollar a bushel.

Thanks for the warning. I don't trust the elevators either. One company bought about all of them in 3 or 4 counties so we are kinda stuck without competition unless we want to haul 25 miles during harvest.

They follow the Kansas City board of trade. 1 1/2 years ago, the elevator buying price was about 44 cents a bushel below the KCBT price. Early this year, they crept up to about 76 cents less than the KCBT price the last time I looked. That's an additional 32 cents of profit for the elevator/Team Marketing.

What kind of spread in the basis is anyone else getting between their elevator and the KCBT?

Not takin the bait here....I'm with you on this one.

My 2 cents also vote to change to tubeless 22.5 rims and tires.

Recaps dont like heat.I would only put them on when temperatures were getting cold outside.If you made it to spring without throwing any they would run all summer usually.Bandag had its problems but I had good luck with the new place that used Michelen tread.If you had Bandag caps where they put regular caps on low profile casings they would peel off in no time.Also if you buy the whole recap casing and all it could be third time cap and they peel off easy too.Use your own carcass and good tread and they will run a ways if you put them on when its cold and keep them aired up.Another thing that helped me was to put new valve stems in every time I put new tires on.If you get good caps they can run 100,000 miles and virgin tires even farther.By then your valve stems are all beat up and the seals are worn out so a new one will maybe be a little insurance that it will run as long as the tire does.Recaps arent for everybody.I guess a team running caps wont work according to what you learned.I would run hard though and peeled very few.In 15 years I had less than 20 tires blow out and once I owned the truck and trailer only about 4 in 7 years and those were on the trailer usually caps that came on the trailer when I bought it.Also seems like nearly as many virgin tires blew as caps.Usually tires that blow have some problem like a bad valve stem or a nail or something in them and run low air pressure then throw a cap.I ran caps on the tractor tandems but didnt have any trouble with them using my own casings.I would run 6 or 700 miles a day but I would stop every 4 hours and take a break usually and kick my tires.Somebody with a grain truck who checks them a lot will probably do alright with them as long as you dont put them on when its hot.For some reason they peel right off in the hot summer.Once they get some cure time they will last if you put them on in the winter.

We would put about 220K on drive tires then have them capped and run them another 150K or so on the trailers, for East-Coast running, or "Single" drivers..
We would run from Cincinnati to San Bernadino and return to Cincinnati, stopping for truck wash in Tucumcari, out to eat while trailer was unloaded and re-loaded...36 1/2 Hrs out and 35 1/2 Hrs back..
4,200 miles in 72 hrs was normal every week..plus a trip to painesville, Ohio, or Cranberry, NY.
Always wanted to cross Needles at night, if all went well...!!
Always 80,000 gross..on the California run..

Ron..