Pictures- Tractors Farming Steep Hillsides

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For those of you that didn't see my hillside harvest pics check them out here

http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=harvest&th=40545

These pics I took over the past several years of our farming operation at the southeast edge of the palouse in Idaho. Before the 70's and 80's most all the steep hillside areas farmed with steel track crawlers because they worked better than wheels on hills. Now days rubber tracks or tires do most farming but there still are some using steel track cats including us. The two main cats we use, the D4D and D6C are both SA models which were intended for ag use and not for being bulldozers so they have faster working gears. The latest models made into the 80's had factory cabs and hydraulics, variable horsepower to give extra horsepower in higher gears, sealed and lubricated tracks, and bigger track frames for less compaction.

We do some no-till on fall seeded crops but we always do tillage for spring seeded crops. We grow winter wheat, spring wheat, lentils, peas, garbanzo beans, and sometimes barley and canola.

The tractors used are mainly a 1973 cat D4D and a 1974 cat D6C but there is also a 1960 D6B used on occasion. A 1976 MF 275 is used for spraying and fertilizing and a 1974 MF 1155 is used for a little light work and mainly to move equipment down the roads for the cats. Running this old equipment requires plenty of maintenance in the off season but the way we figure it is way cheaper to keep the old cats going than to buy new equipment for a small-medium sized operation like us.


Enjoy the pics, questions and comments are welcome.
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Very neat pictures. A good friend of mine owns 250 acres near Kooksia Idaho. I have never been there. I am told that it is just mountains, woods and bears. (and a small cabin)
 
great pics, love seeing how rest of country farms, definitly make you grip seat with your behind. Beautiful country, Mark
 
Beautiful country, makes me wonder what the
first adventurers,(Lewis & Clark ?) thought when
they saw it !
 
I don't think I could do those angles-maybe once I had done it and convinced myself it was OK. Nice pictures-thanks for posting! Greg
 
I will second the comment that you have TREES..
Take more pictures while sitting in the driver seat with camera vertical.. like the one while sitting on your MF tractor about half way down in the pictures.. The tilt of the MF tractor compared to the vertical camera is an eye opener as to the slopes your working on.. a slope in the distance going the other way would almost give two slopes at 90 degrees to each other, all in just one picture.. :)
Thanks for posting your pictures.. ag.
 
Thanks again. I assume all those track machines are clutch and brake steering? Seems like it would be a real pain keeping them straight on a steep side hill. But then I have never run a crawler pulling anything, only pushing! But it does seem like differential steering would be easier.
I wanted to ask on the grain heads from your earlier pictures- can/do you lock up those cutterbars? Is that open space always open?
Very nice looking operation. Used to see Chevy trucks just like those all over here. They're all gone now- rotted away a long time ago.
 
your pictures make me homesick.my dad farmed hillsides in calif.in the 40s,50s,60s and seventies.at variuos times we had a t20 mc cormack.allis m and a td 9 international.57 0r 58 his picture was on the cover of international world magazine..he was on the td 9 pulling a 56w baler
 
Sure would like to know just where that farm is. We used to live just south of Moscow Id. Same story for farming hills. East side of driveway went just over 45 degree slope. Combine stuck to it just fine. Neighbor who hayed the next piece south didn"t have a good time now and then.That is a great part of the country. Are you east of Gennesse???
 
We travelled thru the palouse last fall. I still marvel at being able to farm those slopes. Beautiful country, and crops quite different from what I'm used to here in Michigan.
 
We joke about doubling the yields by farming both sides of the soil - only problems is that the roots tend to surface on the other side!

Don't see steel tracked tractors here, lots of rubber tracked and multiple tired 4wd tractors, though. In the early '50s, my dad had some muck land cleared, and wanted to disk it in preparation for planting. Had a 4 foot cut disk tiller, very heavy. About all he wanted to pull with his JD B. Did wonders on sod though. When he got on that muck he immediately got in trouble. So he rented a pair of tires off another JD B. Neighbors were laughing their Bu... off. But it worked wonderfully. No one's laughing at their grandsons running these huge multi tired 4wds now.
 
Are these tracks a regular means of farming or do you supplement these with other tractors.
Truly amazing to your methods.
 
How fast do them crawlers work anyway I love workin steep hillsides we've got some pretty good hillsides around here I farm with My 4020 and muir hill
 
Interesting. I grew up working on a farm 30 years ago that had an old Cletrac AG. At the time they only got it out to skid logs on occasion, but it was obvious that it had been a working farm crawler many years before.
 
Neat photos, but I can only think of massive soil erosion when I see tillage on those steeper grades. I see you save some grass waterways and till along the contour, which definitely helps save soil on the more moderate slopes.
 
Nevermind, I saw your other thread and your reply on erosion. I was wondering if the rainfall pattern was to your advantage in that area, which you claim to be the case. Hope that 25-year gusher never strikes!
 
Another thing that has reduced erosion around here was the elimination of summer fallow which used to be common. That bare dirt could erode pretty bad in late spring/summer/fall when cloudbursts are most common. One time years ago we had 70 tons/acre of erosion when a cloudburst hit on finely worked ground. Also soil types make a difference in erosion, our soil locally is not as erosive as other soil types. We have not had bad erosion in years.
 
Knavistar- Yes those are the regular tractors we use for farming. Some operations used only steel tracks and a few still do.
 
Jerry- we are due east from Genesee about 30 miles. An hour drive from Moscow out towards Troy then down to Kendrick and east from there.
 
Yes steering clutches and brakes for steering. The late model cats like our D4D and D6C have wet decks which are oil cooled clutches and brakes.

Steering straight across a slope is not too big of deal.

As for the pea bars on the combines they dont lock up but when they are set on the ground the open space can go away as the header is mashed down on the cutterbar. We only use those for the legumes, just a straight sickle for wheat. Still lots of those old chevy 2 ton trucks around, we have a third one for a water truck. Many guys have gone to bigger trucks for hauling wheat at harvest but still haul seed/fertilizer or water with the 2 tons.
 
I knew from the first picture that"s the Palouse country! Nice pictres.

I used to live in Washington State and visited WSU and UI in Moscow. I"m surprised that they don"rt use more strip till on those steep hillsides but what do I know. I"m a rancher( A rancher is a guy who never plows any more ground then his wife can take care of!)

Thanks.
 
Agpilot- Thanks for the suggestion, I dont have any more pics like that but will take some in the future.
 
Really neat pictures you posted and also some beautiful country.I like the track loaders to me they look tough and powerful.
Thanks for the pixs they were great.
Tony
 
Heat Houser- Pins and bushings should go about 7,000 hours with a turning in the middle of that time. Bottom rollers maybe a little longer than that. Rails and sprockets go over 10,000 hours.
 
Ray- they dont make much more mess than wheels. And on hills they tear loose ground up less than wheels.
 
Jay- it is a 1969 but it only has a 292 engine. The white one is a 79' and we have an old blue one in poor shape (bought used) that is a 65'. They both have bigger V8s which are nice on our hills.
 
flying belgian- that field is not as bad as two of our others that have steeper slopes before the drop off.
 
Beautiful! Nice to see the older equipment in such nice shape too.

I'm guessing this is what they call "dryland" farming?

How are the winters out there? Temps? Snowfall? Wind?
 
It looks like a first rate setup there. Very well maintained and beautiful country to boot. Thanks for the posting. Gerard
 
Fawteen- yes we are wet dryland farmers though. Unlike the big farming areas of eastern Washington and Oregon we are not limited by lack of rainfall here. We get about 30 inches a year and can have very wet springs.

Winter weather varies a lot across the region just like precip. At our place we get lots of snow, pics show some common scenes. We dont get much wind so most of the snow stays put, a few open areas will drift though. Having a snowdepth of 18" to 2ft is fairly normal, two years ago the tops of fence posts completely disappeared and the snow did not melt until the end of April. Right now we have just over a foot of snow on the ground and the day before thanksgiving the temp was -4F. Usually we only get a few days below 0 each winter but have been down to 30 below before.
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That depends on what wheel tractor it is being compared to. Back when they were new they were more expensive than wheel tractors of similar size. Cats were built to be extremely rebuildable and on our cats parts can still be purchased at a cat dealer. A new steel undercarriage is actually cheaper than buying 8 tires for a 4wd tractor. Pulling heavy loads or doing hillside work the crawlers get better fuel economy than wheel tractors especially 2wds. On flat ground with a light load a wheel tractor may burn less fuel. The big cat burns 10 or more gallons of diesel per hour.
 
Thanks for the details on the erosion, that is the first thing that crosses my mind when I see those slopes. Very pretty country, thanks for sharing the pictures!
 
Absolutely wonderful pictures. Thanks for sharing. This helps us to understand how agriculture applies in parts of the world where we don't travel or live.

Your equipment looks quite large, but you mentioned that you are not a very big operation. I suppose that means there are some really BIG operators. In terms of acres, what is a BIG operation in that area? I'm aware of an operation in North Dakota (near where I grew up) that was 12,000 acres just a few years ago, probably bigger now.
 
nice pic. thanks ...like everything except the part about snow in APRIL....haven't seen over an in. of snow in my 63yrs. & it didn't stay but two days...LOL...we plant rice the first of March
 
Would you ever consider hiring an operator who would work for free just for the experience. I have some seat time on some of the larger d8's & d9's. I am retired and would love the ride.
 
55 50 Ron- we have pretty narrow windows of time to get in the field in the spring so equipment may be bigger/acre than some areas. We actually have a pretty small seed drill for our acreage and will update soon. An average operation locally is about 1,200-1,800 acres and we fall in the middle of that range now since we picked up a few more acres this year. Big operations are 3,000 or more and the biggest in the county is still less than 5,000 acres I believe.
 
newriverboy- yes we would certainly consider that especially in the spring-April and May when we need the help the worst. The main problem with our spring work is that we sometimes can only work for a few days at a time and then spend days or weeks waiting for it to dry out again so it would be unpredictable when and how long you could work.
 
kendak- not sure if I could live without some good snow in the winter though it does get old when it snows in the spring. in 08" we had accumulating snow on the 10th of June.
 

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