Loader Hose Routing

Royse

Well-known Member
I just bought a basket case loader for a Ford 9N. It looks to be mostly complete except for hoses, so I was trying to figure out the hose routing.
It looks like a Freeman 2000 trip bucket loader but I have yet to find a tag. It has rectangular tubing, two single action cylinders, "in front of the engine" mounted pump and an external fluid storage tank mounted on the upright just in front of the driver's foot.
The control valve is made by Wagner, it has two valves/handles and two hose connections on the top that I assume are outlets, one connection on the bottom.
The fluid resevoir has an obviously low pressure suction connection on the bottom that hooks to the low pressure side of the pump, and I'm guessing the high pressure side of the pump hooks to that connection on the bottom of the valve body.
My question is do those two outlets hook one to each cylinder, or one to both cylinders and the other one to the return on the resevoir? If they hook one to each cylinder, where do I get the return?
It is also missing the adapter to hook the pump to the engine (shaft is there, but the pulley/adapter for the pully is not) so if anyone knows where I might buy one that would be a great help.

Thanks for the great site!
 
Single acting cylinders on a trip bucket loader would only require a single spool valve to operate it. Both cylinders would be ganged together to supply the lift in tandem off one valve. Basicly pressurized fluid to the cylinders for lift and return flow from them back thru the spool valve and to the return to lower.
If I wasn't sure how the spool valve flowed I would hook compressed air to it and cycle it to see the routing.
 
That would mean possibly I have the wrong control valve? There are still two fittings on the resevoir, one low pressure suction on the bottom, and one 3/8 fitting that seems to be more of a high pressure fitting near the top of the tank. I assumed that was return.
I get the part about hoooking up compressed air for valve flow. That should be easy enough to do. I'll just need to drain the fluid out of it or get sprayed!
Thanks!
 
I took another look at this today, it would appear that they have replaced the original valve with a dual spool and only hooked up one spool. The loader frame and cylinders (the cylinders are what make me think it's a Freeman) look identical to those on a Freeman, but the control valve is a Wagner "WonderTrol". Best I can tell from the pictures and the partially readable name plate it is a model H805-10.
The Wagner loader manual in the link is definitely NOT my loader or pump, but this is the control valve. On page 31 it shows the connections. Mine was hooked up to the two on the far left of the picture where the #6 elbow is coming in from the pump and the single hose next to it going to both lift cylinders, plus the return hose on the far right which in this picture goes to the tube frame. On mine it would go to the resevoir.
Hooking up the air to it seems to prove this out, except there is always air going to the return. I'm not sure if that means I need new o-rings or if that's the way it is supposed to be, but I figure new o-rings wouldn't hurt.
I'm hoping to get this up and working soon. I think it will do a great job for the light weight stuff I want to do with it around here.

http://www.wagnercompanies.com/domains/wagnercompanies/files/pdf/Wagner_loader_owners_manual.pdf
Wagner Powr Loadr manual
 

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