Posted by jackinok on February 29, 2012 at 12:17:55 from (162.58.82.136):
In Reply to: ??? posted by LJD on February 29, 2012 at 09:15:38:
doesnt bother me a bit,when folks plan ahead ,if more did the country would be in as bad a shape as it is in now!LOL.Heres a little fact for you,and i used to for many years work disasters.Anytime bar none,that theres one natural or manmade,the folks WITH something,wind up supporting those WITHOUT.Willingly OR Unwillingly, it always happens. 1000 gallons of diesel wont last long for folks HAVING to move,maybe not wanting to but when you have to try to survive its a different game altogether. In a situation such as these folks are imagining, even your wood powered vehicle wont help,simply because anything moving becomes a target after a day or three. As for your tractor ,thats transportation for someone needing to get somewhere else,and in fact its a far better mode of transport than a car lots of times because it can travel off road! And in most cases its about ten times easier to steal than a auto.Have you ever seen folks fleeing disaster on tv? how many do you see driving tractors?they are heavy and equiped to travel over many obstacles that other vehicles cant traverse. Any road would become a death trap because folks would be watching to hijack a vehicle,steal gas,or supplies. Hope you can eat your seeds,and you were thinking far enough ahead to plant things that dont need cooking,and can be air dried. because quite simply thats the ONLY means of storage that would be anywhere near reasonable,anything else requires heat,smoke or canning,all of which is a big tipoff to hungry neighbors you have food. 50 acres of pasture,really GOOD pasture will hold five head of cattle year round MAYBE,but before they need food,they need water. Dont forget folks will be killing your livestock,a old cow is an easier target than a deer or dog .How about washing clothes?lice,parasites,dirt grime,take a toll on clothes and are a breeding ground for disease. your wife cant make clothes without cloth,which means you either grow something like sheep,or cotton,and make it yourself,you just cut your small herd of animals down by 2/3 simply for this!good deal on your water,be better if it were inside if you decide to fort up. also remember pumps and things will be prime trade goods so they will be stolen very quickly.Water will be the first thing folks will be after. nice you took your family out,for a summer campout,but this is what will be different,someone will be activly hunting you. I dont have a chip on my shoulder,i just know how folks work when the chips are down.its sad to even contemplate such a thing,but then again were talking about something that could happen.when or if it does,any station such as yours will be a prime target unfortunatly,simply because you have something.The first thing to go will be anything outside,regardless of what it is.When folks get desperate enough they will take your buildings.It sounds like your plan is to fort up,and that maybe a good plan,hopefully it is,but i imagine a different deal.i have a whole 10x20 pantry full of food myself,weve always kept it,along with livestock,wells,fuel,tractors everything you have.But i have no illusions about holding it if a armed group comes to get it,personally I'm grabbing my bugout bag with the normal supplies,two axes,a regular and a small camp axe,knives i can carry and a 9mm for last ditch defense.if i can take them i'll have a rifle, and shotgun ,but a bow would be my choice of anything but a defense weapon. my hidy hole is already picked out ,near but not on water,in the open where i can see all comers and bug out again or go to ground.and i can move in and out on rock and under cover under any normal condition. in other words ive got a place also but its not a place im required to defend for survival.and if it doesnt work out i have another. thats the problem with disasters, they tend to be local. in a truly survival situation having more than one basket full of eggs,is better simply because if it happens in one place they are not all gone, you have a fall back place or plan.most folks would fail simply because they are unprepared,the next larger group will fail because their plan failed,the next bunch will fail because they didnt plan on a backup,but most of the ones who make out do so because they have more than one plan in place,,know them so you dont have to think about where to go or do you simply leave here and head there.when the worlds crashing and you dont have to think it helps.
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