John T Probably not much help, but here goes. Drove bus about 8 years, with some shop experience. Working from memory here,only drove one 4104. 4104 should be a rear engine, right? Does the engine sit crosswise, with an angle drive between clutch & trans? Does the trans sit kittywampus? Or does the engine sit inline, just backwards in the 4104? Thinking because of length, engine sits inline. 8V engine sits crosswise in 47xx models. Is it an oil-bath clutch? Not sure on the 6 bangers, but 8V models had oil bath. They would rattle, bang, & shake the whole rig when first put in gear. Considered to be normal. Be sure the fast idle is off before trying to shift into gear. They had high speed diff gears, oil clutch allowed lots of slippage to get moving. Guess I'm not much help after all. To really confuse things, if the engine sits crosswise, it spins backwards too. Sorry for getting off track. Willie
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