69 AllisChalmers dozer with bucket too

Hi, me again.
I'll find a decent machine yet!
I found a gas 69 Allis-Chalmers with both blade and bucket. Not sure of model but about the size of a T5 Int.
It had about 2 hours on a rebuild and sat for 10 years - oil pump failed on startup and needs motor repair again.
It looks OK, drive line/tracks are supposed to be good, he is asking $4000 for it, as he has $7500 invested.
Are these motors common?
Does anyone have a good guess at price?

If the oil pump failed shortly after the so-called "rebuild", I wonder what else was done wrong.

Gas or diesel, the 2200 engine is not very common IF it's an H4 (gas version) or HD4 (diesel version). I think the "4" series came out in 1969.

If it's a 1968 or older H3 or HD3, it uses a fairly common engine also used in farm tractors.

If the radiator is in front, it's an H3 or HD3. If the radiator is behind the engine by the dashboard, it's a H4 or HD4.

It doesn't matter if he invested $20,000 in it if the motor's shot and it's been sitting for 10 years. If the machine ran good and the undercarriage was in good shape, then maybe the amount invested would have a bearing on the price. There's probably no way for you to even see how well the machine works. It could need all new brakes and be full of rust. Don't take his word on the undercarriage. About the only places that give accurate assesments of undercarriage are the big dealers. I think if it needs the motor rebuilt or another one, $4000 is way too high for a 41 yr old machine you can't even try out. Dave

jdemaris
I attached a picture, but I have not been to see it yet.
It has a blade that comes with it, which I'll need.
It looks like it should be a front mount radiator to me.
Thanks for the help.
Brian

135 Fan
I totally agree.
I'll work on the price, as you see in the picture it does look decent, but looks are not everything!
Brian

Looks like an H3 if gas engine to me. I know some guys that had an H3 around a 65 model. This one looks newer. It looks like it has hyd. track adjusters which is a big bonus but the sprocket teeth look to be getting pointed which isn't so good. The tracks were likely changed at some point with tracks off a dozer. The H3 I knew had triple grousers only about 10 to 12 inches wide at the most. There may be different track options though. Need to find out more about the engine and how it drives. Dave

That would be an H3 if gas as said. Parts and motors are around. Later model would be a 160cid and earlier, I think pre ser # 9001 1961 would be a 149cid. The blade for it must only attatch to the bucket. Blades and buckets had totally different frames. They came with 10, 12 or 14" pads single grouser or triple street pads, usually for buckets. Don't know about hyd. track adjusters, as mine doesn't have them 1961 model. But the adjuster does look like it's at its limit. Looks good, even still has the bucket leveler still on it.

Yes, that's a H3, not an H4. built 1960 to 1968. H3s use two different engines depending on serial #. Early H3 (up to serial # 6000) has a 149 c.i. engine and late H3 has a 160 c.i. engine. It's pretty much built on the D15 farm-tractor platform.

I tried to buy one this summer in northern Michigan, but the guy wanted $6000 for it. So, I picked up a Case 310 with 6-way instead, for half the price.

kipn
The blade is shown in the picture below.
I am not sure how it will attach, but the seller states it does fit.
Thanks again
Brian

Couple of coments. 1st. It sure looks WAYYY-better then what we started with ,on the O.C 46. The Lad looks about the age my son started working the J.D 420. You stired up lots of memories. With the enging NOT running for that long, and the oil pump failure,now wondering about the mains Rod bearings,crankshaft damage. On ours(after we got it in the shop) we pulled the pan,rocker arm pan, and was we surprised to find the engine as clean as a hounds tooth. The compression readings were great, 120-130psi on the test.New clutches,so we figured it wasn"t all for nought. During the tear down process, we put oil in the spark plug holes to keep the engine free.If that unit would motor over, I would suggest a compression test. Looks from the pictures that the motor is free (bucket is lifted),butttttt you can"t be sure of the internal condition of the engine ,unless it runs. Oil pressure on ours at idle (when warm) is 18 lbs.Can you check and see the rollers,pins bushings from the underneath side of the track? any apparant oil leaks, link wear/etc. Rear sprockets will show a lot of the story.Any Shop manuals comes with it? Lots of questions, but your on this site where you will GET GREAT INPUT- Honest opinions from them that KNOWS. Luck to you in your search. Reguards LOU & VICTOR

The first picture could be from 10 years ago. As for the blade, I would guess that the bucket comes off and the 2 arms behind the blade attach to the loader boom. The rear mounts for the C frame are on the side of the track frames. Dave