Outfitting the Farmall C tractor with a Char-Lynn E600 h

Smarten_up · Jan 22, 2023

My Farmall C doesnt have a factory installed hydraulic system, but I have an old Char-Lynn E600 hydraulic pack. So for something challenging to do, and just because I thought some hydraulics could be useful on the C I decided I would install it on the tractor. Rather than driving the E600 from the PTO, I thought use the belt pulley drive (never use it anyway), frees up the PTO for other uses.
I dont have much info on the E600 (only some poor quality photos from the manual) so some guess work involved.
Had to clean up the E600 and make a few new parts for it to be put back in operation, new levers, chain drive, and a special mount to fit the C belt pulley.
Everything inside the E600 appears in very good shape, although found a lot of ants on the filter screen.
I have a few questions for anyone knowledgeable about this stuff.
1. Hydraulic pump 8gpm at 700psi and 450rpm, is that correct?
2. How does the single acting hydraulic port work? Does the weight of the implement push the hyd cylinder back when pressure is released? or...
Some pictures of the set-up so far.

Smarten_up · Jan 22, 2023

Another picture and question.
Asking for suggestions on how to mount the hydraulic quick connect fittings.

Janicholson · Jan 22, 2023

The pump can supply a single acting valve or stack with the return to the reservoir, or a double acting valve or stack with the return to the reservoir. Jim
one video

used red MN · Jan 22, 2023

In the one of your previous posts I have linked about this unit John Deere D replied with pictures of manuals to the unit. It appears the single port side is a single action connection and the double port side provides double acting connections. Yes, the single acting side relies on something acting against the cylinder like the weight of an implement to force the cylinder to retract. If you plan to use the double acting ports out the back of the unit I would just get pipe nipples that will get them out past your shield and screw your couplers on there. If you want one on the single acting side, I would suggest at least an elbow so you are plugging in from the left side. All depends on if you are using the hydraulic up front on a blade or an implement pulled in back.
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Smarten_up · Jan 22, 2023

Thanks, I did not see that post. But still incomplete, better than what I have anyway.
I'd really like a clear picture, if available of pump performance curve.
This is all I have and have deduced 8gpm,700psi,450rpm, hp?

rustred · Jan 22, 2023

i am rally curious why u have two levers on there? you mount your lever on whichever side is handiest on the tractor. it is double acting. pull the lever for up, push for down. plus depends how the outlets are hooked up as with any hydraulic's. i ahve the same charlynn pump on my tractor that i biult a wood splitter on. the pressure max out is 1100 psi .plus i seams like u have your gears backwards. with that big gear you wont have much rpm. my traactor is 540 pto and i am running the tractor at less than half throttle splitting wood. as for the outlets you can mount them anywhere u desire as long as you makeup the hose to match.

rustred · Jan 22, 2023

you use the two outlets on the other side for up and down.

ed12345 · Jan 22, 2023

Thats a rather large setup - it would be much easer to go with a Saginaw car power steering pump. They are belt driven from the crankshaft and put out about 1,200 psi and 4 gpm.

I use one out of a GM car that comes with a small reservoir on my cub cadet. Works great and only paid 50 bucks at a junk yard. Even came with a cut off hose coming out of the pressure port that I put a hydraulic fitting on.

Their are other versions with a remote reservoir if you need a larger reservoir

Pluming is simple. Hydraulic hose from the pumps pressure port to the control valve and rubber fuel line / trans cooler line back to the pumps return pipe.

Make a bracket and get a v belt to run off is the crank shaft

ed12345 · Jan 22, 2023

Also, your sprocket sizes seem off from the picture.

Im not familiar with the pump but if it needs 450 the pump sprocket should only be slightly larger. In the picture it almost looks like a 3 to 1 reduction verses a 5.4 to 4.5 reduction

Smarten_up · Jan 22, 2023

To answer your question about the drive reduction ratio, yes 3.3 to 1, because the belt pulley runs about 1200rpm, which is way too fast for the pump. I tried it and found out, the pump needs go much slower. On a PTO shaft it would be ok at 500rpm.
As for the 2 levers, 1 is for dual action cylinders and the other operates a single acting cylinder, that way I can have 2 seperate circuits.

Smarten_up · Jan 22, 2023

Well the nice things about this set-up is I already had the unit, it is a complete unit with pump, reservoir, and valves all in one hydraulic oil filled package. Easy to fill and drain or remove the whole thing. Plus It is actuated on/off by the pto/belt pulley actuator rod. Manual says it will do 10 gpm with cut off at 1100psi.

used red MN · Jan 23, 2023

Rustred look at my reply, it has a link to a previous post of his. Another poster put up pictures of the pages he had of a manual for it. It explains all the workings in it. One lever is double action, the other single each connects to the ports on opposite sides of the unit.

used red MN · Jan 23, 2023

Do you view in Modern or Classic? In Modern if a Subject gets real long it will move to a second page, not sure if you were aware of that or not. That post did roll to the second page, it was also posted 12 days later than the original active discussion. You can also go back to view all your posts by using the Search feature on top, Search by Author. They can also be viewed off of your profile while logged in on Modern.

Smarten_up · Jan 23, 2023

Was not aware of that. Only use the classic view, modern view doesn't seem to work for me.
I'd like a complete manual in pdf or a series of good quality pictures, no luck so far.

rustred · Jan 23, 2023

Ya ok Mr policeman. Have u actually had one of these units apart ? I have and grew up with them and never paid attention to the left side being single acting only. At least I dont look up everything on the internet like u do then post it. Sorry all too hell. And yes I have had them apart and know how they work and there is a screen in the bottom that has to be cleaned by separating the unit. Plus have never looked at a manual or internet to do that , I teach myself. This was the first hydraulic system I was introduced to on our w6 in the early 1960s . Plus have about 4 of them Charlynns here, everyone has the hoses on the right hand side and lever. Plus what good is a single acting hydraulic system.

gene bender · Jan 23, 2023

yes the single outlet just move the lever opposite from lifting and it will go down. I have had one of those pumps on a B with my quick tach loader for over 40yrs those are fine units. I also use it for the rear blade which hinges on the drawbar and then a two way cycl for the loft just use one side of the cycl for lifting and gravity for down

BarnyardEngineering · Jan 23, 2023

(quoted from post at 19:08:32 01/22/23) i am rally curious why u have two levers on there?

There are two remotes on these things. One is a single acting, and the other is double acting.

riverbend · Jan 23, 2023

Neatly done.

used red MN · Jan 23, 2023

Rustred. that is the trouble with exchanging info blind through the internet, no emotion is conveyed. Unless in fact the words used invoke emotion. I was simply pointing you to a place you could get more information that answered the questions you seemed to have and gave more info on the unit. I hope all the items you listed off concerning my modus operandi makes your day go better. If so then I am glad I can help.

John Deere D · Jan 24, 2023

Plumbed as per instruction manual....double acting cylinder.

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