TEA PTO question.

Good morning all,

Am working on an old TEA 20 that has sat for dacades.
Got engine freed up with mostly patience, plus ATF and acetone sprayed in through the plug holes. Rocker cover off and cleaned up of rust, no valves sticking but cam followers did for a while!
oil changed and water drained. a little oil on top of the water ...but hoping!
It turns over nice now, using a hind wheel.
I drained the gearbox and final drive, as the oil had the usual water in it, then figured maybe I should change the PTO shaft to 1 3/8", from the old 1 1/8".
Its a gamble, because I don't know if it will run yet!...but as all three rear end plugs are out, it seems as good a time as any, and it needs a PTO seal anyway.

So Gents, My question is, I see these replacement PTO shafts complete with bearing and such on Ebay, but they just say for a TE -20 & TO 20.
Is this the right shaft for a TEA -20? I believe so but wanted to check here.

I see this site has parts as well, but wonder what the exchange rate would be and shipping to Canada?

BTW, this little tractor looks to at one time had a paint job done to match the Fergy 35, silver and red.


All the best,
Richard.
 
You don't need to add oil to the transmission/rear end until you are sure the engine will run. If you get it to run, then you order a PTO shaft and replace it before adding the oil. It won't hurt the gears to start the engine with the transmission in neutral and run it for a few seconds.
 

If you can get the nose down a bit, such as in a ditch, I believe you can change the pto shaft even with the gearbox full.
 
(quoted from post at 03:36:21 03/28/23) The nose has to be way down or you leak out a gallon of oil. Ask me how I know.

Thanks one and all for your thoughts on this!

I had feared screwing up the hydraulic pump, running it with no oil in the rear end.
Re finding a ditch, we do have a good one by the house here. Need some good chocks in front as it will stand it pretty well on its nose!
I used it last when replacing a PTO seal in a 3010 J D.

Reckon I will replace seal in the present PTO, flush rear end sludge with diesel in a garden sprayer and fill her up a bit. Doesn't need to be full most likely, and try it.
Engine may have to run for a while to check for leaks in or leaks out, so may be best to put some oil in the back end.

Thank you again gents,
All most helpful!!
will keep you posted.

Richard.
 

JH, understand the PTO is not running until you engage the PTO lever. Thus no need for oil while you test the engine.

BTW, If you are currently running PTO attachments , ie a bush hog, etc, you would need to upgrade the ORC (over run clutch, saves you from running into the side of your wife's brand new car) to connect now.

I would leave the factory PTO shaft in it and if you do need to have the bigger size, just buy the ORC to go from small size to the larger size.

That is what I did with my 2 TEA20s I had till recently.

Just my 3 cents worth.......
 
Thanks for the ideas Alex,
Yes, the overun may be a good idea, but I use a Fordson Major on the brush mower, (getting real modern now!)

I Have seen those adapter sleeves, but had heard they didn't stand up to any heavier work.

Can I ask where the over-run clutches are available from?

Thanks again and all ther best,
Richard.
 

Be aware that after changing the PTO shaft to the larger size the belt pulley won't fit and a Ferguson post hole digger will need modification.
If you do swap it make sure to keep the old one , they are very scarce now .
 
J H, I acquired my ORC at TSC Canada (now Peavey).

I also want to point out, the "sleeves " I think you are referring to , are just that , about the size of a medium size pill bottle. Its like a skinny spacer that adapts from the original size PTO shaft to the larger size. Yes it would be very fragile.

The ORC is a much larger adapter and has a version that fits on the original PTO size and out puts to the larger size.

As Charles says, the PTO Ferguson Pulley, will not fit on without modifications.

As stated earlier, I would leave the original PTO shaft in place.

If you search on this forum using " 8N orc and Slip Clutch" , you may find a better description than I gave for an ORC. Will just add that for the current discussion , you can ignore the "slip clutch"....



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This post was edited by Alex MacEwing on 04/12/2023 at 06:11 am.
 
(quoted from post at 22:32:34 04/10/23) Thanks for the ideas Alex,
Yes, the overun may be a good idea, but I use a Fordson Major on the brush mower, (getting real modern now!)

I Have seen those adapter sleeves, but had heard they didn't stand up to any heavier work.

Can I ask where the over-run clutches are available from?

Thanks again and all ther best,
Richard.

I got mine right here. Had good prices.
 

Thank you for all the helpful replies.
That over-run clutch looks a strong set up and might well do for what I want.
At present I have bigger fish to fry, LOL!
I should ask the new questions under a different heading.

I guess I need it running before I need a PTO. :)

all best,
Richard.
 
Those sleves do break easy but they do not add any length to the pto shaft.
Had to use them on the JD tractor with the 1 1/8 shaft and combine set up
for the 1 3/8 yoke. Any thing that added length would not work such as the
over running coupler because of the way the PTO shaft worked in turning. If
just raising and lowering implement adding length with the adapter might
bind up and bend or brake shaft or implement. And both my Fords still have
orignal shafts and will stay that way as long as I own them. I have all the
orignal PTO extensions and a1 1/8 pully.
 
Hello Leroy,
This is Richard, (up in Canada)
You get me those bearings made for the McCormick binder if you recall. That Amish Machine shop. Great place to know about and thank you again.
I pulled the original PTO shaft to flush the white sludge out of the rear end, and when looking at the shaft in good light, I see the splines are badly chewed up where the pto connects to the implement.

I went to the local scrap yard today looking for parts for my Massey disk, and he had a rear end of a TEA -20 with a good PTO shaft, so pulled it out and brought it home. it's the standard 1 1/8" shaft.
Will get bearing and oil seal before it goes in my tractor.

If I get this tractor going alright I will be off back there, as he had a couple of 2 furrow ploughs, at least three cultivators, a transport box, and a set of 3 point disks, all in nice condition and mostly painted up but orange.

All the best,
Richard.
 

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