Question on auction mayhem and practices??

JOCCO · Mar 4, 2015

WE all read about issues at auction. MY questions are: does any one know of any auctioneer or the person he is doing the auction for getting sued for something 2. Has any dispute led to a person WALKING and not paying for the item??? 3. What about loss of licence from state??? I have seen a couple that got hot and auctioneer had to serve as a "peace broker" One that happened to me and it worked out they had 2 tag numbers 25 and 26 on a pallet lot of stuff I bid 25 and won another fellow bid 26 and won. Big clash there: auctioneer did all he could to correct it. Funny part was the other guy wanted most of the stuff I didn't so we split the lot and one number (26) got voided.

Traditional Farmer · Mar 4, 2015

I've been going to auctions for over 50 years and have seen all you mentioned and a lot more,about the funniest was up at the Marion PA auction
two of the auctioneers got into a fight.

SteveD · Mar 4, 2015

In my 20-plus years of attending auctions I've never learned of an auctioneer losing their license or of a lawsuit filed over an auction bid process.

Now the walk off and I'm not paying...yea that goes on rarely. The auctioneer or owner/family will call you asking for payment but then you can refuse & if it's some small amount they won't do anything except refuse to give you a bidder number at their next auction if their system is computerized or they remember you're a dead beat.

Auctioneers avoid lawsuits with their ads that stipulate how they can change and void things, how they're decision is final, and announcements day of sale take precedence...etc.

We all learn what auctioneers to trust and to keep your hands in your pocket or avoid the auctioneers that falsely run up bids. I do like it when they get caught and the potential buyer has that stunned look and says "I wasn't bidding". Then they rebid it over.

71ford100 · Mar 4, 2015

I'm leaning more and more towards getting a lawyer for an on going deal over two international pickups I bought last October at auction. Both were announced at the sale to have titles. I called in early January asking where they were and I got a story the titles were tied up in the estate bit he should have them in a week....this was almost two months ago and nothing.

paul · Mar 4, 2015

Biggest mayhem I saw was once a pickup in the field of vehicles caught on fire, everyone ran from the auctioneer to move their car or pickup away.

Two other times they had to call medical to an auction for chest pains of someone, one time the ambulance took a 1/2 hour, couldn't find the auction. I was a little worried as it was right in my neighborhood, if they can't find a person?

Other time the fella collapsed and leaned down on a tractor wheel. As they went the auctioneers kept on selling, sold the tractor right out from under him.....

Auctioneers represent the seller, and do what they can to get higher prices, more commission. However the game can be played.

On the other hand, I bet they have a lot of stories from their side of things on how buyers behave as well!

Paul

Frank 41 · Mar 4, 2015

I went to an auction in a commercial building in Bloomington, IL. A local jewish guy that ran the scrap yard was talking loud, causing a commotion and disrupting the auction. The aucioneer stopped and ask him to discontinue his behavior. It didn't happen, and next he stopped and TOLD him to leave which complaining, he did. He was just wanted to disrupt things so he could get things bought cheap.

2underage · Mar 4, 2015

When you see a bidder say that they were not biding it is usually a Jockey who bid one time to many. he then lets his consignment go to the other bidder. Some auctions seem to have a lot of these.

Dachshund · Mar 4, 2015

Was at a consignment auction one time where the autioneer and a couple sellers were obviously in cahoots. It was pretty clear the guys were bidding up their own stuff (and the auctioneer knew it). County sheriff happened to be in attendence. He saw what was happening, and shut the auction down.

Cas · Mar 4, 2015

You could check with the DMV first. I do not think they had titles when IH trucks were made. Pretty sure they only had a Bill of Sale. I could be wrong.

Cas · Mar 4, 2015

I have been going to auctions as long as Traditional Farmer and he is right.
Went to one auction in a light rain. Auctioneer tried to jump on the fron end of a Farmall M. Fell and broke his leg between the front end tube and tie rod. Auction stopped for about 30 seconds and the second Auctioneer pickup the bid right where it was.
One time I was bidding on a tractor. My number was 444. I quit and was going to get a hot dog and coke. Ordered my hot dog and heard sold to 444. Went looked at the tractor and decided to take it anyway. Only tractor I ever bought 200 ft. away and my back to the Auctioneer.

Clodbuster · Mar 4, 2015

I heard of an auctioneer that had a buyer protesting to the cashier that he bid way less for a big item than was on the ticket and was raising heck about it. When the auctioneer came to sort it out he told the buyer that they will rewind the tape and listen to it together and see what the bid was. The buyer changed his tune as he didn't know it was all recorded!!! He was just trying to bully everyone to lower the price.

rustyfarmall · Mar 4, 2015

(quoted from post at 15:02:28 03/04/15) You could check with the DMV first. I do not think they had titles when IH trucks were made. Pretty sure they only had a Bill of Sale. I could be wrong.

Really?? The last IH pickup truck rolled off the line in 1975, and International Harvester is still building medium and heavy duty trucks.

Angle Iron · Mar 4, 2015

(quoted from post at 15:02:28 03/04/15) You could check with the DMV first. I do not think they had titles when IH trucks were made. Pretty sure they only had a Bill of Sale. I could be wrong.

owned two of them in the late 70s to early 80s a 63 and a 64 both of them had titles.
Angle Iron

jm. · Mar 4, 2015

No law against doing that in Tennessee , folks bid on their own stuff until it get to where they want to let it go.

Cory Schmidt · Mar 4, 2015

Once they get to know you/ your number. You don't even have to bid till high point(when to stop).You maybe lucked out had high bid on the tractor when you turned around.

I was at a greenhouse auction once. My pa kept bidding on pot lots, a few stacks later he had opening bid with out even bidding. Started the same as rest of stacks we started, so we didn't mind. If we didn't want it just shouted no, or let bedding go.

Cory Schmidt · Mar 4, 2015

Knew a auctioneer that had license pulled. An absent bidder(antique dealer no one actually liked) gave auctioneer a price card. When a item sold for less than top price on card the guy went to the state and had the license pulled. Can't help it if the auctioneer forgot about the card by the time the piece came up to the block.

RBnSC · Mar 4, 2015

I've seen all kinds of things happen 50% were bidders mistakes and the others were crooked auctioneers. My Brother and I watched one of the stick beaters wink at the auctioneer and ran the bid up without anyone bidding against them on an old roller. As we walked away My brother confronted the guy and told him that he had seen what he did and if he ever did that to him He beat his a$$ And I mean it.
Ron

TomH in PA · Mar 4, 2015

I was at an auction a few years ago where one of the backup auctioneers (not the owner) was obviously running up bids. I left that sale in disgust, but I never saw that guy selling again anywhere. I assume the auction company owner got word of what was happening.

jimg.allentown · Mar 4, 2015

I don't know about where you are, but PA started using titles in 1959 and NY started in 1973. Other states were likely different. Your mileage may vary.

jimg.allentown · Mar 4, 2015

AS I understand it, bidding up your own stuff is called shill bidding, and against the law in most places I have been. I have been to a few where the auctio0neer was taking "phantom" bids. He was pointing to a spot in the crowd where there was no sign of a bid being made. He tried to bid me up on one item. He kept pointing at me and increasing the bid as I was shaking my head NO. He finally called out a bid, and pointed to me and said SOLD. I said very loudly that I did not make that bid. He restarted the bidding, and I ended up winning for quite a bit less than the first time around. I made note of who that auctioneer was, and vowed never to attend one of his auctions again. Years later, he showed up at an auction that I regularly attended. I went to the office, and asked if he would be a regular auctioneer. They asked me why, and I told them he was a crook, and that I would not buy anything from him. The person in charge said that they had heard that before. Didn't see him back there. Good riddance to him! What goes around comes around!

GeneMO · Mar 4, 2015

My dad was at an auction years ago and there were some trapping supplies in the mix. Fox urine. Couple of em took a stick, dipped it in the bottle and descretely smeared some of the fox urine on a neighbors pants leg. Guy had about 3 dogs kept pissing on his pants leg all afternoon. :twisted:

Gene

JD Seller · Mar 4, 2015

I know of NO state that it is illegal to bid on your own property.

IF it is illegal in your state than tell me which one as I would like to look the actual law up. It would be interesting as to how they word it.

Dachshund · Mar 5, 2015

Actually - it's illegal in EVERY state, and includes online auctions. It's called FRAUD.If it is an "obsolute" auction, then, yes, the seller (or an agent) CAN bid on their own stuff - because it is being sold without his permission. It is also not illegal if the item has a KNOWN reserve - he can bid it up to that point.

W_B · Mar 5, 2015

(quoted from post at 20:10:34 03/04/15) I'm leaning more and more towards getting a lawyer for an on going deal over two international pickups I bought last October at auction. Both were announced at the sale to have titles. I called in early January asking where they were and I got a story the titles were tied up in the estate bit he should have them in a week....this was almost two months ago and nothing.

Two months? You are likely dealing with probate and the state DMV... you might be lucky to get them this time next year!

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