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Small part of article. Excellent writing.
Documents filed by Canadian safety regulators say that a circular clip around the pistons may be missing or was improperly installed at the factory. That can cause a pin on the piston to rub against the engine block and possibly cause engine failure or a fire.
Documents filed by Canadian safety regulators say that a circular clip around the pistons may be missing or was improperly installed at the factory. That can cause a pin on the piston to rub against the engine block and possibly cause engine failure or a fire.
47fivewindow
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- Davidsonville Md.
Wrist pins? Not the easiest thing to inspect. Would you trust
some flat rate guy to tear your brand new engine apart?
some flat rate guy to tear your brand new engine apart?
47fivewindow
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- Davidsonville Md.
Wrist pins? Not the easiest thing to inspect. Would you trust some flat rate guy to tear your brand new engine apart?
Steve@Advance
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Unlikely to start a fire, but possible. Once the pin shifts over and rubs a gouge in the cylinder wall, the rings will fail. The excess crankcase pressure will blow oil out somewhere... If it hits the exhaust manifold under the right condition it could ignite.
My late Dad had a 1985 K car, the most miserable piece of &#^% car that was even on our place.
He was driving down the highway one day and it threw a rod through the block and the resulting oil splash caused a fire behind the engine burning off some vacuum lines.
Then the worthless thing added insult to injury, and the wire somehow went out without doing much damage or burning up the lemon.
Then, I had to put an engine in it for him!
He was driving down the highway one day and it threw a rod through the block and the resulting oil splash caused a fire behind the engine burning off some vacuum lines.
Then the worthless thing added insult to injury, and the wire somehow went out without doing much damage or burning up the lemon.
Then, I had to put an engine in it for him!
Tractorcedric
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- Garland. Utah
I hate it when that happens!
It's okay as long as you buy the transmission and cooling flush they'll try to sell you when you ask for the engine warranty inspection. If it's new enough buy the warranty so they'll have to fix you engine again and again all it will cost you is the transmission and coolant flush and the deluxe injector clean they'll sell you each time they have to fix the engine. If you don't take the flushes and injector cleans then your warranty claim will be denied.
Honda will likely trace this down to one disgruntled line worker, then deal with them accordingly. All engines are serial numbered and time stamped during production. Just because it affects that many cars does not mean they all have the problem. We replaced an engine in a new truck at a GMC dealer I worked for because of a bolt in the intake. Our rep wanted a picture of the broadcast label from the failed engine. I asked, "It's not the only one, is it?" He just said they were getting to the bottom of it.
I dealt with Honda one time on a transmission they put in a couple models, and that was the first and last Honda I will ever own. That issue was never admitted to by Honda, but it was all over the Internet on those failures, but since they did not supposedly cause safety issues, and the cars had some age, they just ignored. I had a conversation with Honda and after that conversation I was done with them, as he pretty well admitted that the transmissions were failing due to poor design, but also said they had no plans on doing anything to correct. They merely wanted $3500 to install a reman. No way was that happening, so I installed a used, and sold it quick. I promised him I would never buy another and to tell anyone that would listen. Initially they said that the transmission needed fluid flushes every 30,000 to prevent failure. How many people flush their auto tranny every 30K? Most go 100K or more, and I have ran them to 200K without a change without issue.
Andy Martin
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I've run several Hondas well over 200k without ever even checking the transmission fluid. Never check the engine oil either. Not so on my trucks and tractors, check oil regularly.
Old weldor
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I hate it when that happens to a jap.
Goose
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After having spent ten years as a Claims Adjuster working vehicle service contracts, I can say Honda is second only to BMW for being the most overrated car on the market.
From our experience, Honda, Toyota, and Nissan had just as many problems, including engine and trans failures as any other make. The owners just wouldn't admit it because they'd been brainwashed into thinking their vehicles were more trouble free than domestics.
From our experience, Honda, Toyota, and Nissan had just as many problems, including engine and trans failures as any other make. The owners just wouldn't admit it because they'd been brainwashed into thinking their vehicles were more trouble free than domestics.
What a CLEVER and hidden/hard to detect way to sabotage an engine, though.
Some of the info on the 'net says Honda is buying borescopes for the dealers to inspect the engines without teardown.
I wonder if they are simply looking down the sparkplug holes for vertical scratches in the cylinder walls, or can look up from the bottom to visibly verify if the wrist pins are moving out of place?
Some of the info on the 'net says Honda is buying borescopes for the dealers to inspect the engines without teardown.
I wonder if they are simply looking down the sparkplug holes for vertical scratches in the cylinder walls, or can look up from the bottom to visibly verify if the wrist pins are moving out of place?
john in la
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People can say what they want. I go by what has worked for me.
I have 2 Toyotas sitting in the drive way.
Both have over 200k miles and I have never done more than regular maintenance listed in the owners manual on either except for replaced the batteries.
One is a yaris.
Has 275000 miles.
Auto trans fluid has never been changed per owners manual.
Been wrecked as someone hit my wife in the rear-end.
Insurance paid off but I never got it fixed.
Looks like crap but we still use it daily.
I have less than 0.15 per mile (excluding insurance) in that car including gasoline.
The F150 I have is a different story.
I have 2 Toyotas sitting in the drive way.
Both have over 200k miles and I have never done more than regular maintenance listed in the owners manual on either except for replaced the batteries.
One is a yaris.
Has 275000 miles.
Auto trans fluid has never been changed per owners manual.
Been wrecked as someone hit my wife in the rear-end.
Insurance paid off but I never got it fixed.
Looks like crap but we still use it daily.
I have less than 0.15 per mile (excluding insurance) in that car including gasoline.
The F150 I have is a different story.
Years ago I would NEVER have considered a Toyota (I used to call japcrap), but after basically inheriting one I now use as a daily driver I have taken a different viewpoint. My daily driver is a 98 Camry with 4 cylinder purchased used at 170,000 miles. It now has nearly 100,000 additional miles, and I have only replaced oil, tires, a timing belt, and it probably runs as good as it did when it was new, and I fully anticipate it easily running 400K (an additional 130K from where it is now). This thing seems almost bullet proof, and I do not baby it really, although I do not abuse it either. I purchased this vehicle for $2000, and have been offered my money back on it even with the high miles. Trust me, if a vehicle costs me a $500 repair bill it is gone and quickly. The Honda cost me a little over $1000 and it was gone quickly and I was done. Yeah I would rather drive a full size American made 4x4 pickup although I know there is no such thing these days, but I have yet to find one that could run that kind of miles with such little maintenance or cost. My wife owns a Tacoma and she loves it as well.
It's the GM guys that are brain washed. I know as I used to be one of them ! Our Family finally woke up and is all pretty much Honda now. We have had very few issues with them. I do agree with the ones that said they deny everything that does come up. Alot of that has to do with the dealers too ! Wife had a Nissan. Only problem it had was the CVT tranny and Nissan stood 100% behind it.
CenTex Farmall
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Boy, is that true!
My sister bought a used-with-warranty BMW and it spends more time in the shop than on the road.
There was some recall for an engine problem. First they changed some lifters, then the camshaft and then finally replaced the engine.
A headlight quit working and my BIL found corrosion after trying to change the bulb...the whole headlight assembly had to be replaced and cost $1200 (Not a typo - 4 digits) and had to be ordered from Germany. The ELECTRIC water pump went out. The A/C compressor died. The tire places will only sell them the speed rated tires which cost big $$$ and wear at a phenomenal rate.
I could go on but I think the point is made!
Meanwhile I keep driving my menagerie of $500 dollar chevies with very little trouble.
My sister bought a used-with-warranty BMW and it spends more time in the shop than on the road.
There was some recall for an engine problem. First they changed some lifters, then the camshaft and then finally replaced the engine.
A headlight quit working and my BIL found corrosion after trying to change the bulb...the whole headlight assembly had to be replaced and cost $1200 (Not a typo - 4 digits) and had to be ordered from Germany. The ELECTRIC water pump went out. The A/C compressor died. The tire places will only sell them the speed rated tires which cost big $$$ and wear at a phenomenal rate.
I could go on but I think the point is made!
Meanwhile I keep driving my menagerie of $500 dollar chevies with very little trouble.
Used to say the same and I actually had to drive one about 100 miles a day for a couple years to convince me on the Toyota. Still cannot give me a Honda, BMW, or VW, and some others. Son had a BMW, and unbelievably expensive for everything to keep it on the road, including the battery.
T in NE
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- Cambridge, Nebraska
Honda's small engines are so good, even the cheap chinese knock-offs aren't bad.
The Passport was built for them by Isuzu. I drive an Isuzu now. A real one, not a badge-engineered chebbie. The 2.6 liter is known to have weak head gaskets. Improper thermostats have killed many of them.
If I had the cash I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a 2-door trooper, or an older 4-runner. Stuff that's had the weak points found and known fixes. About the only way I'd have a new vehicle is to win it in the lottery.
The Passport was built for them by Isuzu. I drive an Isuzu now. A real one, not a badge-engineered chebbie. The 2.6 liter is known to have weak head gaskets. Improper thermostats have killed many of them.
If I had the cash I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a 2-door trooper, or an older 4-runner. Stuff that's had the weak points found and known fixes. About the only way I'd have a new vehicle is to win it in the lottery.
Old weldor
Member
Jap cars are not made in the USA, they are assembled here! The profit stays in japan. You should be loyal to them since they helped us win ww 2. Ha!
K Effective
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I picked up a 99 Civic from a coworker who had inherited it. Small, but useful beater to keep the miles off my farm truck. The Honda does not even have a dipstick for the transmission. The engine started to knock on start in the colder weather, turns out they use solid lifters and the valves just needed adjustment. All the accessories still work and I get 30+ mpg. Only 125K miles, figure I may get another ten years out of it if I get the one rusty spot fixed.
Hobo,NC
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- Sanford, NC
I recon they will come up with a quick connect clip so any dumarse on the assy line can snap it together. Then it will be up to a mechanic to figure out how in the ell to remove it with destroying it with out a special tool that don't work.. At my age I would let the young guys have all that gravy...:wink:
For all the Honda owners, Honda put a drain plug in the transmission I don't think it was for looks... When I service one I also drain the transmission fluid its only 3 to 3 1/2 qts of ATF... In a nut shell I don't flush a Honda trans I drain them...
The trans filter is not serviceable... I have never see a Honda trans fail were they drained the fluid this way at least every other oil change... A 2001 to 05 had there issues I think Honda felt the need to boost there service department sales.. :wink:
Every manufacture has there issues and all of them run from them...
Sorry, WRONG. Hondas are made here in Ohio, USA. About 70% manufactured here. Don't know about the other Japanese brands but they have moved a lot of the mfg. here because of the yen/dollar difference and they don't have the capacity to build enough there to meet the demand. In fact they were building some Accords here and shipping them to Japan. I have a friend who works at Honda in Marysville in the procurement department and even a lot of the new Acura "super car" NSX is being sourced in the US. You might want to check things out before spouting nonsense.
you are sipping the cool aid. Honda employs 204,000 globally and only 27,000 in the USA.guess where most of their production is done? in JAPAN! the same place all their PROFIT goes. On the other hand ford employs over 90,000 here at HOME while GM employs over 120,000 here at HOME. Wake up they only tell you what sounds good to you. heck even Chrysler builds more cars in north America than Honda and doesn't have the market share they do.Not to mention Honda wages are nowhere near starting wages of ford or gm. I know what they start out at in Marysville $12hr. shameful!
T in NE
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- Cambridge, Nebraska
My sister worked for a time in a foundry/ machine shop that made parts for Honda.
Somewhere around Dayton.
Somewhere around Dayton.
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