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I brought home two tractors, that I had in outside storage, and sure enough, they both had water in the oil pans. I had hoped that the 5 gallon buckets, that were over the mufflers, would have protected them. Of course, I had started them up , to load them, and mixed the water with the oil. I am talking about an Allis B , and an Allis CA, and due to the way the mufflers fit into the manifolds, The rain runs down into the manifolds, thru the valves, pistons, ect, and into the pan. I usually have to change oil, at least once a year, in all 4 engines, that I have, cause I will screw up, and leave one out in the rain. I grabbed 5 gallon of oil out of the shop, and found that I didn't have any oil filters on hand, so off to the new TSC I went. I asked for the wix 7011 filters, and they were so new (been in business 60 days), that they had not stocked anything but Fram, and didn't have a Fram substitute. They did agree to try and stock my filters. I then went to NAPA, and they had one filter and it was a NAPA GOLD, and they wanted $13.98 for it. TSC wanted around $7.00 for theirs, when they get them stocked, so this agrevated me, and I told James, the manager so. I have been NAPA's coustomer for 15 years, and was getting too confortable with them, and should have kept my mouth shut! I left and went to Auto Zone, and they don't even have a book that shows Allis. Left there and went to O Riley's and they had two filters, which I ended up buying, at $17.99 each. No more store choices in Yelm, and was too embarresed, to go back to NAPA. I know that my friend OLD, thinks O Rileys, is a good deal, but I, sure ain't going to buy anymore oil filters from them. Now I am going to have TSC, order a case of them, to put on the shelf in the shop.
 
They should of been able to cross to a Fram for you.

I have priced things at O'rileys too and have never been to one because it is so high priced ! I don't know how these other guys do there ? maybe they worked out some sort of "deal"

You should be able to order off the internet cheaper than TSC. Try Rock auto.
 
I my area you have O'Reilly's or auto zone so you are stuck between a rock and a bunch of idiots. But that said I use the Wix 57??? filters which are in the $7 or so range
 
the napa gold is their premium filter. supposed to be a heavier duty high line filter. prolly has all kinds of top secret good guy stuff in it. the napa standard line is a good filter too. i'd guess if you had a fresh motor or a high performance one, the gold would be the better choice.
 
Thanks Mike, I never thought of ordering online! At least if I order on line, maybe I won't stick my foot in my mouth! I belive I have been told by the guys on the Allis forum, that the Wix 57011, or the napa 7011 (both made by Wix), is the best bet, for proper oil pressure. I have 2 Allis C's, 1 Allis CA, 1 Allis B, and a Allis merry go stationary engine, and they all use the same oil filter.
 
If you didn't have to have the top of the line NAPA Gold filter you probably could have had them order a cheaper version that probably would have been there the next day. For instance I use Gold 7060 filters in my 2010 "good" car and instead of using Gold 1515 in the '08 van I use 21515. In other words put a "2" in front of the Gold number for a cheaper version.
 
Just a thought from personal experience ... you can always get better pricing on the net. Just keep looking for alternative brands and look for free shipping , discount codes for the site and no sales tax.

I have two shelves full of various filters for my machines.
 
Looked up parts on O'rellys site went to go pick them up. Was told the part numbers on the site, are not the same as the ones they use. Walked out and haven't darkened their door with my shadow since.
I get baldwin or fleet guard filters for the tractors.
 
Wait! Let me think this out. You change out the oil on 4 engines each year and you expect to use a quality filter that you pay a premium price for to put on a tractor engine that is...um...60, maybe 70 years old but you can't be bothered to provide a decent shelter to keep the rain out nor spend the money to replace a leaking gasket. Maybe you should just send your excess money to someone else.
 
NAPA was $14, O'Reillys was $18. TSC $7.

The difference... NAPA and O'Reillys had them in stock.
What is a second trip to town worth to you as far as time and gas?

I get stuck like you did all the time and it is frustrating. When you need it immediately, it always seems to cost more.

Rick
 
I usually don't use O Rileys, so I don't know, but this time soured me, on them, really quick. I don't understand how there is so much difference between the price OLD pays, and here in Wa., for the same chain stores, and the same part!
 
RMMN Now I NEED to be chastised, for not holding my temper in the NAPA store, and maybe some chastisement, for being too lazy to put the tractors in when rain threatens, but where did I say that I don't have shelter for the machinery??Now, if you want to pick on someone, at least stick to the facts. I also hope that you don't hold it against some folks having really old tractors, and still thinking a lot of them. Isn't that what YT is about?
 
I went to O"Reillys to get a Wix filter that NAPA was out of. They price matched NAPA's lower price.

I use a PF57 AC Delco filter on my 20 hp honda. Hade to order them form O'Reillys. Asked why they don't stock them. Not a common filter, but they said they would have some on hand for me.
 
Actually Rick, you summed it up right! That was a lot of my frustration. Also I was mad at myself for leaving them outside last fall. I was trying to hide a lot of stuff, from a divorce settlement, and took what I could get, for storage.
 
You were the one that left the tractors out in the rain with a 5 gallon bucket over the exhaust. If you had put them under a roof, the bucket would not have been needed.

I also cherish old tractors, my newest being a 1976 model with 3 older than that. I have one sitting outside because I acquired a couple tractors due to a death in the family and didn't have a roof for all of them but the one sitting outside doesn't get water in the oil every year and won't be here by mid summer because someone else will own it.
 
With all this talk of different brands of filters, has the problem of several years ago been fixed? The defective design that lowered oil pressure. Remember, the paper ones didn't work, the rag waste ones with the wood dowel as original did work. Tom
 
Napa filters are priced on a sliding scale. The more you buy, the lower the price. Also the more the store sells the price is lower. I currently buy filters from a Napa in a large city. They have several stores under the same owner, their filters are fairly priced.
A store I used to deal with had an account for XYZ Farm, cash only. Most of the people in town bought their filters on this account, very good pricing.
 
[i:654c4848f0]If you had put them under a roof..[/i:654c4848f0]

I can count on one hand the times any of my three tractors has spent the night out in the weather since I've owned them (once broken down, once when my wife was using the barn for a garage sale, maybe 2-3 days each time), but I seriously doubt if any of them spent a night inside before I owned them. My friends that actually farm tell me that's a difference between a farmer and a hobby/acreage guy like me -- they need their barns for other stuff.

I don't begrudge a guy doing the best he can with what he has available.

I'd chalk it up to a lesson learned, and start keeping a stock of the filters on hand. I pay a couple of bucks each for the wix-made filters I get from Sturdevant's, and I try to keep a couple on hand for each vehicle. I'd put a used filter back on before I'd use a Fram (and I've never put a dirty filter back on).
 
Napa filters are over priced, I remember paying I think $13.00 for a filter for a kohler lawn mower engine. I used to like getting supertech filters at Walmart, made in USA and priced right, I have not been to Walmarts in quite a few years but last time I was there I don't think they carry them anymore.
 
By the way O'Reilly's has a price match thing so if you find a part at say $10 some place else and they list it for $12 you show them and they will drop the price to what the other place has it or even lower. They also have a military discount so if your a vet you get that is you ask for it. One thing here that may help me over the store in your area is I have been dealing with this same store for almost 36 years so they know me very well. Shoot at times they will call me asking me where to find a part for a tractor
 
NAPA list price is usually pretty high but if you set up an account they'll discount the
parts pretty good.I have an account at NAPA and the Federated Parts Store and there is quite a difference between the prices I pay for parts and walk in retail.Plus on farm related parts I'm not charged sales tax.
 
Who on earth is O'Reilly??? I have never heard of or seen one outside of this forum. Around here, we have Auto Zone, NAPA, Advance Auto, A & A Auto parts, and National Auto. Where are all of these O'Reilly stores located??
 
(quoted from post at 14:02:07 03/10/16) I brought home two tractors, that I had in outside storage, and sure enough, they both had water in the oil pans. I had hoped that the 5 gallon buckets, that were over the mufflers, would have protected them. Of course, I had started them up , to load them, and mixed the water with the oil. I am talking about an Allis B , and an Allis CA, and due to the way the mufflers fit into the manifolds, The rain runs down into the manifolds, thru the valves, pistons, ect, and into the pan. I usually have to change oil, at least once a year, in all 4 engines, that I have, cause I will screw up, and leave one out in the rain. I grabbed 5 gallon of oil out of the shop, and found that I didn't have any oil filters on hand, so off to the new TSC I went. I asked for the wix 7011 filters, and they were so new (been in business 60 days), that they had not stocked anything but Fram, and didn't have a Fram substitute. They did agree to try and stock my filters. I then went to NAPA, and they had one filter and it was a NAPA GOLD, and they wanted $13.98 for it. TSC wanted around $7.00 for theirs, when they get them stocked, so this agrevated me, and I told James, the manager so. I have been NAPA's coustomer for 15 years, and was getting too confortable with them, and should have kept my mouth shut! I left and went to Auto Zone, and they don't even have a book that shows Allis. Left there and went to O Riley's and they had two filters, which I ended up buying, at $17.99 each. No more store choices in Yelm, and was too embarresed, to go back to NAPA. I know that my friend OLD, thinks O Rileys, is a good deal, but I, sure ain't going to buy anymore oil filters from them. Now I am going to have TSC, order a case of them, to put on the shelf in the shop.
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I bought a bunch of them online last year for around $5 from Fleetfilter. They sell Napa Gold (Wix). They are priced less than half Napa's price.
 
you stock your own them, you try paying for inventory on hand for every thing. their reason why they are 13.00 etc that cheap anyway.
 
All you boys that like WIX filters are going to have to buy the
NAPA gold filter. WIX became part of NAPA about 2 years ago. Just take the 7 off the front of the part number and you have the new NAPA Gold number.
 
My local autozone and advanced will price match too BUT will not price match the internet places like rock auto.
 
The way to payless is to buy Wix filters during their annual sale which is in feb. around here. Ag filters are discounted 40% or more, 30% for auto filters. Napa also has similar discounts in the spring. A bucks a buck and they fit in my pocket as well as theirs.
 
A & A is pretty much a east coast auto parts store. It was started years ago by Joe Amato, Joe was a NHRA top fuel drag racer who won 5 national championships.
 
All over the west. The Oreillys around here used to be Schucks, then Kragen. Schucks and Kragen and another company that I can't recall (started with a "C") merged, then became Oreillys a couple years ago. We also have NAPA, Autozone, National Auto and I think there's Advance around here. Don't think A&A gets to the west coast, but Pep Boys does.
 
Get on line and find the Baldwin filter numbers you need and go to a large truck repair shop and they can purchase them reasonably priced and you will have good filters.
 
CSK Checker Schucks Cragen. Used to come across the qualcomm all the time needing drivers for the dedicated account.

Wasn't Andretti involved in Big A, which became autozone?
 
(quoted from post at 17:27:13 03/10/16) All you boys that like WIX filters are going to have to buy the
NAPA gold filter. WIX became part of NAPA about 2 years ago. Just take the 7 off the front of the part number and you have the new NAPA Gold number.
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WIX is WIX,I don't think it's part of NAPA which has been selling WIX filters for many years.
 
Stopped in NAPA today for a 51104 Wix filter for my 310 Case. Kid behind the counter told me Wix never made a 51104. I read the number before I went to town off the old filter. Went to Hurkes and they crossed the number to a Fleetgard and I was good to go.
 
I don't think Wix became part of NAPA because Wix is part of a large group for some time called Affinia.
 
Our TSC stores around here only handle Fram and none in the type that a Allis Chalmers WD and WD45 would use. Advance and Auto Zone tell you they have no listing for them. NAPA has NAPA Gold for $18.00 in stock and a local independent auto has Hasting or Baldwin ( same company) for $13.00 and also in stock.
 
Wix filters is owned by Affinia Group and has been since 2004. Napa does not own Affinia Group either.
 
(quoted from post at 17:36:36 03/10/16) The way to payless is to buy Wix filters during their annual sale which is in feb. around here. Ag filters are discounted 40% or more, 30% for auto filters. Napa also has similar discounts in the spring. A bucks a buck and they fit in my pocket as well as theirs.
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Check out Fleetfilter on line. Best prices I have found.
 
Never hurts to ask them to price match. Recently I went into a Lowes looking to buy an item, and thought the item was high compared to Menards, so I looked it up on my phone, and Menards had the same item for approx. $10 less ($20 vs. $30 roughly). I took the item to the checkout, and showed them the price on the phone, and they matched it saving me a trip to Menards. I spent quite a bit of time cross referencing a filter for my zero turn mower with Kawasaki engine, and found that it can use the same filter as my 98 Toyota Camry which I buy at Wal Mart for about $3, so I keep a few of those around, and the Kawasaki engine gets a Purolator $3 filter as well vs. paying for a name brand for $10 or more. I do like Wix filters, and would not put a Fram on my worst enemy's vehicle due to an issue I had years ago.
 
Napa corporate stores around me have a sale on filters the second Saturday of the month some where around 40% to 50% .

I have a list and try to keep two of everything I use on hand. Supposedly Napa filters are made by Wix. When I was in trucks I used Baldwin and Fleetguard.
 
(quoted from post at 22:00:27 03/10/16) Napa corporate stores around me have a sale on filters the second Saturday of the month some where around 40% to 50% .

I have a list and try to keep two of everything I use on hand. Supposedly Napa filters are made by Wix. When I was in trucks I used Baldwin and Fleetguard.
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They told me once that they were having a filter sale the next week, so I only bought one filter. Went back for the sale and was less than a buck difference. I questioned the guy and he tapped tapped on his computer and came up with a little better price....I just don't trust them anymore. I only buy there when I am desperate. Fleetfilter from now on. I bought $720 worth of NAPA gold filters from them last year, would have cost over 2 grand at NAPA!
 
Thanks for the reference Eldon, I would like to keep at least 4 filters, on the shop shelf, but would buy a case.
 
I normally use Napa or Auto Value Small business stores, filters cost a little more, but when I need a part I want a good part's man at the counter. The few bucks I spend is a savings when I have to go back to the part's store for the correct part or the forgot part. Besides the quality is normally better at Napa and Auto Value. I got fed up with Auto zone after doing a waterpump 3 times in a week because of poor quality. 1st water pump leaked from weep hole before starting engine, the second pump made it 3 day's. Got mad went to auto value and never had another problem.
 
Here in Yelm Wa, O Rileys took over the old Schucks auto parts store, and National closed their doors, and sits empty.
 
I have a commercial account at O'reilies that saves me a few percent on some things. I don't have an account at NAPA but I use them the most. I do so because they will usually put my stuff under one of the larger commercial accounts, so I usually get somewhere between 10% and 25% off regular prices. It's nice to have been doing business with the folks behind the counter for more than 10 years......
 
George Have you thought about Stens for your Honda filter. A 120-137 is a cross for the AC PF57. The Stens filter is $4.58
 
O'Reilly is big west of PA....I see that PA only has 3 stores...Here in MO almost every town of 2500 or more has one...Their headquarters is Springfield,MO...

Heres a link to their store locator...
OReilly
 

Out local Napa store is a franchise store his prices are HIGH he lost his franchise another franchise owner moved in he owns 30 plus stores. He blows everyone out of the water if you are price shopping.

If this is your filter $7.28 at the new store it would not surprise me if it would have been $13 at the old store. This holds true for our local Honda, Toyota dealer as well they make it look like I am getting a discount by selling to me at retail and inflate the list price What a deal... I buy 99% of my OEM Hon/Toy/Ford parts from out of town at a real wholesale price because of that. I know convenience comes at a price but they are less convent than the out of town stores... Those out of town store ship to me free and most of the time the same day :SHOCK" . I guess its there filter/parts that can put any price thay want on it. Once it becomes mine I price it to my liking :)

I buy my GM parts and most of my Chrysler parts from the local dealer There service can not be beat there price price yes. Sometimes its not about the price they have always been there when I needed them so its not always about the price...

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NAPA Gold Oil Filter - This Is By-Pass Lube Filter With "Mason Jar" Style Threads

Attributes
Filter O.D. (Inches) : 3.54"
Height (Inches) : 4.858"
Style : Spin-On Oil Filter W/ Male Rolled Threads
Thread Size (Inches) : 2 3/4-4
Filter O.D. (mm) : 90 mm
Gasket I.D. (Inches) : 2.675"
Gasket I.D. (mm) : 68 mm
Gasket O.D. (Inches) : 3.049"
Gasket O.D. (mm) : 77 mm
Gasket Thickness (Inches) : .187"
Gasket Thickness (mm) : 5 mm
Height (mm) : 123 mm
Style : Spin-On Oil Filter W/ Male Rolled Thread
 
There is no skin off our noses if you left a tractor outside and we shouldn't act like we are offended by it. I have done it many times over the years and will again. We shouldn't take it personal but realize we all mess up at times. I like a friendly and helpful tone to our discussions and don't believe personal attacks are healthy. Best of luck to you and all the guys who post even if we have different opinions on just about every issue.
 

I have to wonder... does the higher priced filters work better??

Oil filters are designed only to filter out larger particles and not the super fine one.

yes the better filters might have a few more pleats of material... but if you run a filter long enough to stop up the pleats, You will damage the engine no matter what kind of filter you run.

And yes,, some of the filters have "better" anti-drAIN back valves... they use metal instead of plastic... but the metal will rust and not seat well due to condensation, and the plastic will not. So again, the argument is..... does it really make much difference?? If your filter is verticle, then an antidrain back valve does almost nothing anyway... If horizonal, it becomes a bit more important... But if you use a GOOD oil, it will cling and prevent dry starts anyway.

If your changing your oil on a fairly regular basis, the filter is probably the LEST of your worries....


I use mostly the cheap phram filters,, and change oil on a reasonable schedule, use only a hd oil, and have no sludge, no wear problems, and great life out of the engines.

More tractors are damaged/ruined by water through the exhaust or no antifreeze than from most any other reason.

A rain cap or elbow on the exhaust, and keeping the antifreeze up, and oil changes are the way to go..


I would be more concerned about water getting down the exhuast... or the coffee can blowing off, or the green bean can rusting out.... or running cheap oil....
 
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