I always wondered how the public felt about the switch.am I correct in understanding that it was top secret with the dealers,i couldn't imagine buying a new 730-830 for tillage work and a month later 4010's are on the lot???,did the dealers know this was coming and kept quiet just to sell the remaining stock??,were farmers that just bought the 2 cylders really mad cause the dealers didn't say there was a complete overhaul of the tractor division??
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I can't comment specifically on the new generation switch, as I wasn't even close to being around. However, I do work in the farm equipment industry, and find that for every person that wants the latest, there is one or more that would stick with the tried and true. Myself, I would let someone else work the bugs out of that new line of machinery.
greg oliver
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My neighbor has both!
Janicholson
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Dull and known to work, Cutting edge, or Bleeding edge. Farmers have been pretty reluctant to bleed on purpose. Jim
gtractorfan
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What I remember is John Deere did a big switch from what they'd been touting as the best way to go with big bore lugging type engines. Those were the days when it was fun to see new tractors coming out, 806 & 706's as IH's answer for instance.
I remember plain as day the ads in Farm Journal leading up to it. All new! There were pictures of just the front wheels,bottom of the frame and bottom of the rear tires. No description at all of what was covered up. When the tractors finally came out and they showed the whole thing in the ads,it was quite a shocker. The thing I remember the most was the slant of the front end and lack of a conventional grille.
I don't know how the buyers of the last 730s and what not felt,but it wasn't very many years before they were hauled in to the lot at Yoder and Frey by the dozens every two weeks to be auctioned off so the dealers could get the trade ins off their lots.
I don't know how the buyers of the last 730s and what not felt,but it wasn't very many years before they were hauled in to the lot at Yoder and Frey by the dozens every two weeks to be auctioned off so the dealers could get the trade ins off their lots.
Only thing I know is from what some of the older guys who were around at that time tell me is the 4010 was unimpressive off the drawbar compared to a 830 which is a big deal in wheat country. The 5010/20 that came out later did a lot more for JD then the smaller NG tractors in Montana. Our first NG tractor was a 4020 diesel powershift. Traded in a 830 for it. A year later we traded in a R for a 5010. So our switch was pretty fast.
crooked rows
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We had a neighbor that always had 2 cylinder John Deeres go buy a new Oliver 1600...said if he was going to drive a six cylinder tractor he was going to buy it from a company that had some experience building them......
tomstractorsandtoys
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Local Deere dealer who went to Dallas TX for the ten series introduction came back thinking Deere made a mistake. He went to the bank and borrowed a bunch of money and bought as many 530,630 and 730's as he could afford so he would have something to sell untill Deere went back to building two cylinder tractors. After the first 3010 and 4010's came to the dealership and farmers started to demo them he had a big problem. It took years to sell the last of the two cylinders he bought.Dad traded a 70 diesel on a new 4020 and one week later bought a second one. Tom
wilson ind
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Dad had a new 730 diesel ordered. dealer said you might want to wait. He still wanted the 730 diesel. I drove the first 4010 off loading dock about a mile from dealer while dad drove the 730 diesel as well as dealer and sales man drove rest of 3010 and 4010s. At dealers he offered dad a 4010 gas for same price as 730 diesel. We keep the 730, which in dads and my opinion was the best tractor we ever had. So much we bough another one used as soon as we found a really good one. The 730 diesels pulled 4- 16 s at only one gal of fuel per acre in really tough marsh land. Not saying Deere should have keep with 2 cys as we went to 6 cylinder diesel with 4020s. Glad we waited to get bugs out of 4010s.
Tx.Ricefields
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Being in the middle of the change over....I remember it well!
Our local dealer actually thought the 3010 standard was going to be popular in the rice region. That was a TOTAL mistake....they were gutless. Then, the 4010 standard with the big 26" rubber was the next demo, it was better, but the 830 would outdo it in
our conditions. The big rush was on the find elec. 830's, and they were few and far between. It was a mess for JD for a few yrs. until the 4020 came on the market. The 5010 was too heavy
for the wet conditions and the R, 80, 820, 830, even the D's stayed until the late 60's. I know several of the farmers that used the 720 & 730 standards and they had to work really hard. They pulled 3 bottom plows on the 3pt. in 2nd gear and it was all they could do.
I know this type farming is different from the dryland and just wanted pass on our experiences in the NG changeover.
Our local dealer actually thought the 3010 standard was going to be popular in the rice region. That was a TOTAL mistake....they were gutless. Then, the 4010 standard with the big 26" rubber was the next demo, it was better, but the 830 would outdo it in
our conditions. The big rush was on the find elec. 830's, and they were few and far between. It was a mess for JD for a few yrs. until the 4020 came on the market. The 5010 was too heavy
for the wet conditions and the R, 80, 820, 830, even the D's stayed until the late 60's. I know several of the farmers that used the 720 & 730 standards and they had to work really hard. They pulled 3 bottom plows on the 3pt. in 2nd gear and it was all they could do.
I know this type farming is different from the dryland and just wanted pass on our experiences in the NG changeover.
My uncle was and still is a John Deere man. I was about 10 yrs old, he said this change would break John Deere, wouldn't have one. In 1962 he bought a new 1010 gas and still has it. Also he bought a 2010, 3020, 4020, 4430, and several newer ones still has all but the 2010. I like all of them. I have a 40,420,60,520,820, 2510,2-4020's and a 4430. They are all good. I don't think I want one of the one's they make now.
Larry EC-OH
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Oh Boy, You had to ask this.....
I can't ask this question to my dad even today, he really gets worked up. He still to this day never forgave John Deere for halting production on the 2 cylinders.
Larry
I can't ask this question to my dad even today, he really gets worked up. He still to this day never forgave John Deere for halting production on the 2 cylinders.
Larry
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I remember when they first came out. A mechanic estimated a very short engine life, because of the high RPM. Some hoped there might be an optional hand clutch. By the time the 4020's came out, the dealer's lot had all colors of trade-ins.
Brown Swiss
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My great uncles dad was so in love with the 2 cylinders, he said the new generation was no good when they came out, in fact my great uncle ordered a new 3010 from the local dealer, went home and told his dad what he did, and his dad made him get back in his truck, go to the dealer and cancel the order!
I was some 4 years old, maybe 5 when the dealer demo'ed a new 4010 on our farm.
My Dad and my Uncle Bill ran our Massey 55 Diesels.
As young as I was, I still remember them not being very impressed. (Probably because they couldn't afford to trade!)
One Massey got traded for a new GVI MM a couple of years later. (LOTS of axle and bull gear problems and POOR dealer support.)
The other Massey got traded for a DEERE 830ES (A BEAST!) I sold it in the early 80's to finance the purchase of an old 4020 for row crop planting and cultivating (sunflowers). GOSH, I wish I still had it. The 4020 performed well.
The GVI got traded (IIRC) in the fall of 1967 one a new XT190 Alice Chompers.
Thank GOD that thing got traded off on a new Versatile 145 before springswork, without ever going to the field on our farm. In this area, with HEAVY soil/heavy tillage those Allises simply didn't hold up.
The Versatile was a reasonably good tractor, 'cept for the little V8 screaming Cummins not being the best engine ever made, and weak hydraulics.
About 1979, I supplemented it with a 1975 DEERE 8630 through 1997, when I rented out the farm. I still have it, and just recently fired it up and changed fluids, gonna play with it a bit, after all these years.
Sorry about the rambling, but lots of GOOD memories here!
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My 8630, in the early 80's.
My Dad and my Uncle Bill ran our Massey 55 Diesels.
As young as I was, I still remember them not being very impressed. (Probably because they couldn't afford to trade!)
One Massey got traded for a new GVI MM a couple of years later. (LOTS of axle and bull gear problems and POOR dealer support.)
The other Massey got traded for a DEERE 830ES (A BEAST!) I sold it in the early 80's to finance the purchase of an old 4020 for row crop planting and cultivating (sunflowers). GOSH, I wish I still had it. The 4020 performed well.
The GVI got traded (IIRC) in the fall of 1967 one a new XT190 Alice Chompers.
Thank GOD that thing got traded off on a new Versatile 145 before springswork, without ever going to the field on our farm. In this area, with HEAVY soil/heavy tillage those Allises simply didn't hold up.
The Versatile was a reasonably good tractor, 'cept for the little V8 screaming Cummins not being the best engine ever made, and weak hydraulics.
About 1979, I supplemented it with a 1975 DEERE 8630 through 1997, when I rented out the farm. I still have it, and just recently fired it up and changed fluids, gonna play with it a bit, after all these years.
Sorry about the rambling, but lots of GOOD memories here!
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My 8630, in the early 80's.
My uncle had a dairy north of Baltimore back in those days, and had two IH 300's and a Massey 65. Said he didn't like JD's because of that gawdawful miss they had. But the local dealer brought down a new 3010D for a month, and it never left the place. Another 3010 joined it the next year and a 4020 shortly thereafter. He had them until around 1980 when he decided to retire.
I remember going to a Movie that the Local John Deere Dealer showed. They invited all the local
farmers to a Special Night Featuring John Deere Big Change. At this time I was only about 5 years
old & my Grandfather took me, I still remember all the propaganda bragging about their new Products.
At that time we had a 730 Diesel, still have the same tractor, 630 gas & still have the same tractor.
Cyclone A a Old 46 A & oliver 60. My Grandfather wasn't impressed at all. However I was seeing the new
shinny Green & Yellow. As time went by & most of the other farmers did buy 3010 & 4010. Some of them
traded up for the 3020 & 4020's & most of them had pretty good luck with both. Grand dad retired in 1970
We did end up getting a used 3020 Loader tractor that was OK, but it sported 34" rubber & we always thought
it was pretty helpless in Reverse with the loader. Later in life I bought a 3020 that a tree fell on &
removed the 38" cast centers & tires & installed them on ours. That alone really woke that tractor up
& every new generation tractor since then had 38" rear tires. John Deere needed to do something, they knew
it & so did the rest of the World, but I'm sure they ever sold Grand Dad on the idea. He thought they were
Just too much Money, he would flip over in his grave if he looked at the price's now.
The Dukester
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Around here in Southern Michigan those New Generation models wuth their inline engines and foot clutches switched a lot of red tractor owners to green... I guess mainly because of the troubles the Farmalls were having about that time. It all pretty much went away when the IH 806 and 706 models came out....But the damage was done, few if any of the newer John Deere owners ever switched back to IH.
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