What About The Other Gassers - 65 to 100 hp???

Been enjoying tinkering with the Farmall 756 gas and reading volumes of info on these tractors, along with 706, 806 and 856 tractors.

Also have asked questions and read much about JD 4020 and JD 3020 gas tractors.

But what about the other gas tractors offered in the same time period?

The IH tractors listed above are known for drinking gas, lower rebuild costs and if cared for, i.e. low ash oil and appropriate octane gas, are/were IMHO pretty good tractors.

Where do J.I. Case, Oliver, Allis Chalmers and other make 65-100 hp gas tractors fall out? Were there offerings, assume 6 cylinder engines. Did Ford and MF make large hp gas tractors?

Just curious to IH and JD's competition in the mid-60's and early 70's in gas version tractors above 65 hp.

Anyone use one of these other gas tractor, still have/use them and what were/are your opinions of them back in the day - and today - if still running one. Of course, comments on JD and IH gassers are welcome too.

Thanks!
Bill

Neighbor has a 190xt. I had a 190 allis they are bullit proof in the engine department. Allis used same block for gas and diesel. I also had a 4010 lp. Wouldn't start hot or cold!.

I know they made the 830 Case in gas, I saw one at auction a few years ago. Don't know how good/bad there were and I'm pretty sure Oliver had some larger gassers.

Rick

Bill I've been surfing craigslist for 30 to 40 hp gas with cab. No luck. Everything is diesel.
George

Case 930 was available with spark ignition, either gasoline or propane.

I worked for a guy in the 60's with a couple of big gas tractors - one was an Oliver , I think an 1850? Had similar size mini. They sure could go through gas when hooked to a plow. Neither were hurting for power when plowing or disking.

I own a 1967 case 930 gasser book says about 80hp but it's over that I'd say 90 or so, it's a real lugging tractor, I can sink a 14 foot disk in the ground and have it idleing and she'll still pull it. It doesn't drink much fuel unless I start pulling a 5 bottom plow and such. Starts up everytime I use it, never any problem didn't use it much last year sat for problably 7 months, I got on it it rolled over twice and fired right up. My favorite tractor by far. I have seen people really complain about them about being gas suckers but I live in Michigan, I also have a case 1030 diesel and you can't hardly start the darn fool up if it's 40 out let alone in the winter. It really saves the hassle when getting logs in the winter for wood. Always loved the old gasser tractors everyone has a diesel and turns Their nose up at a gas, but I'm just the opposite, it might cost more to run a gas but when it comes tune up time what really costs you then? Plugs, wires, cap, rotor all done.... my neighbor used to have a 1755 Oliver gasser he used to love it for the same reasons regrets ever getting rid of it, a close family friend had a 930 gas like mine and he used to sink a field cultivator and all kinds of equipment behind it and on and idle he could carry the front end off the ground. Know a farmer who's got a 4020 gas he's had since his father bought it new in 1964 he's got a loader on it and he says he wouldn't trade it for the world it's his favorite tractor for once again all the same reasons. Hope this helps

We had two identicle Case 830,s (gas) on the farm. Both trouble free , started good (Michigan) pulled 4-16,s on our farm. Paid $ 3500 ea back in '69 and they were both 1965 CK models. Sold them 15 yrs later for same price. Just normal routine maintenance. Pretty good on gas to but who cares when the tractors were essentially free to use.

Case also made the 770/870/970 in gas. Not many 970 gas were made, but they were also good tractors. There wasn't really any advantage with them tho as the diesels would start about as good ran on a lot less fuel.

I had a 1855 Oliver gas and I loved it. I didn't do field work with it.

Dad had an OLiver 1850 gas that he dearly loved. That thing burned more gas than any tractor I ever saw. It never ran out of power, though.

I think the only Oliver gas I'd go with in that range would be on the low end of it. 1650 or 1655 at 65-70 HP. I might be wrong,but I think anything larger had that aluminum carburetor that Deere used.

We converted a JD 4000 gas to LP gas. The man used it to run a portable grain dryer. He pulled it from farm to farm along with a 1000 gallon LP tank on wheels. When he got the dryer set, he would hook the 1000 gallon tank to the tractor. It would sit in 1 spot and run for several weeks.

That 283 in a 1750 is a better engine and a nice tractor.

We have a 1650 gas, right at 65 hp, just love that tractor.

Massey had the 1100 with a 320 Waukesha, I never had one and don't want one either. I have an 1850 gas, it is an alcoholic! I went to using all diesel tractors on the farm and really boosted production.

Moline built terrific LP gas engines. The G1000, G900, and M670 Super were terrific starting LP engines. The gas equivalents are hit or miss. Our 670 Super gas is a cold blooded pain. It's always sputtering. I know someone else who has two. One is cold blooded, and the other one is like a diesel, once it's running it stays running. Both the LP and gas models are hard on fuel when under load.

I have a Case 811B, 58hp gasser. Great tractor, very hard ont he wallet when you really work it.

What did they have for a carburetor John?

Got a JD 4020 gas with loader and rear blade. Has been a very good machine over the years. I think it's been here at least 25 years now ? Doesn't get much use anymore but it always seems ready to go when needed.

I had a 930 Comfort King with the factory LP engine. Great tractor for open spaces. Turning into the equipment was never a problem since it wouldn't turn short enough. I ran it for about 10 years trouble free, and then sold it for $1000 more than I gave for it. I replaced it with a Moline G900 LP. I love this one. More power and handles much better than the Case.

Ford only sold one gas 6-cylinder tractor - the 6000 ('61-'67). Rated 67 h.p. at the pto. The 5000 was the next biggest gasser, with a 233 c.i. rated at 57 h.p. from '65 to early '68, and a 256 c.i. rated at 67 h.p.from mid '68 through '75. (somewhere in there, it was bumped to 70 h.p.) The later 6600 was also available with the same 70 h.p. 256 gas engine.

With T r u m p in office the EPA maybe reigned in and emissions returned to sensible Tier I or Tier II levels . With fuel economy being the priority ?
This would open up the diesel market again and shelve the pending direct injection gas engines being considered for small and medium sized light and medium duty equipmemt .

What about fire with a gas tractor? I always heard they were more prone to fires then diesel and supposedly safer?

I made comments on another post today about an 806 IH/Farmall we had back in the 1960's and 1970's. It was not a great tractor. I did run a 706 with the smaller engine. I think that might have been a 263 cubic inch 6 cylinder. Fairly fuel efficient for the work I did with it. I did not like the transmission for loader work. For other work, it was a pleasant tractor to operate. We had JD gas tractors on our farm and still have a 3020 and a 4020. Both have been good and dependable, but you will not find a great deal of love on this forum when it comes to those tractors. Our 3020 was rather stingy on fuel until we replaced the Marvel Schuebler carburetor with a Zenith. It starts and runs great, but does it drink gasoline! If I was in the mood and looking for a JD gas tractor today, I might venture into looking at the EFI conversion that is being put together for these tractors. I know nothing about them, but I suspect as interest grows, there might be more information out there on them.

Here is my collector Item / Winter Snow blade tractor
it is a rare John Deere 4030 Gas, factory Hiniker Cab, only 222 4030 gassers were made. Starts and runs great, Heater in the cab makes blading more fun.[/img]

I'd sure like to find one of those 1750-1855 gassers.

Fosterbnb
Welcome to YT.
May I ask what you mean when you state "factory Hiniker cab"?

No JD tractors were shipped from factory with a Hiniker cab.

I installed several "new Hiniker cabs" on both JD & IHC'S back in the 70's.

when i worked for a dealer we had 2 customers that had an 1850 the other had and 1850 and 1855 i can run the gas tractors for several years on gas because of price difference of tractor

A mis-statement on my part, it sold new with the cab,

(quoted from post at 13:42:16 12/22/16)
Fosterbnb
Welcome to YT.
May I ask what you mean when you state "factory Hiniker cab"?

No JD tractors were shipped from factory with a Hiniker cab.

I installed several "new Hiniker cabs" on both JD & IHC'S back in the 70's.

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I can and do appreciate your comments about this B & D, but I am rather doubtful we will see our country relaxing diesel engine emissions standards. I don't own or operate a single piece of equipment with DPF, DEF, EGR, or any of those other "mickey mouse" after treatment devices. Every tractor has a Bosch, ND, or Stanadyne fuel injection pump if it runs on diesel, and every gas tractor is prior to 1970 vintage. The United States has its own version of China's Taiwan and that "rogue state" is California. We all know when it comes to engines and emissions, California starts the ball rolling on reducing the allowable level of pollutants. As we realized once again through this most recent election, the majority of the population is in urban areas and particularly on the east and west coasts. People in numbers dictate who we send to Washington. We have a clueless population in this country, who is so extremely far removed from the farm and food production, and has no clue what those who farm face on a daily and annual basis. Our urban population will never let our regulatory agencies relax the standards in place today. I have yet to see regulations become less stringent. When it comes to our urban counterparts, they have no clue as to what the cost associated with all this "emissions hardware" adds to the purchase of a new piece of machinery and the headaches that come from electronic glitches. Don't get me wrong! I like to breathe clean air just like everyone else does. From what I have picked up on, all this emissions hardware has caused some issues associated with engine failure not seen before. I use my very simple analogy of cooled EGR, or exhaust gas return/recirculation. Essentially the engine is bringing exhaust gases, that have been cooled, and introduced back into the air intake stream. I fail to see how an engine that must breathe air and more importantly, oxygen, runs better or runs/burns cleaner. My analogy is that the human body needs air, comprised of about 20 percent oxygen and nearly 80 percent nitrogen, to function. How well do we think our human body could function if we were required to take a tube, shove one end up our own "tailpipe," with the other end piped into a breathing mask ultimately having to partially breathe our own bodily "tailpipe emissions?" I am quite sure those emissions would kill us all off if we ingested and digested nothing but a vegan diet, mainly comprise of beans, cabbage, broccoli, and other veggies full of fiber and perhaps topped off with a Budweiser or two! lol

EGR , cooled EGR , intercooling the intake air and retarding the injection event are all supposed to reduce combustion chamber temperature which reduces NOX production at source.
Of course EGR and retarding the injection event lowers combustion efficiency , slows the flame propagation speed, reduces potential power and lowers fuel efficiency.
VW's work around to keep the mileage ratings was to disable the EGR and advance the injection event unless the car was plugged in for testing.
Politicians noticed in the last several elections that an increasing amount of voters are not pleased with an elitist, socialist nanny state that panders to small but shrill lobbyists.