Same tractors?

Stony.Ridge.Farm · Jul 2, 2018

Does anybody have experience with Same tractors? I live in Kansas and am looking to buy one but am wondering about where to get parts if something happened and if these tractors can be worked on by mechanics at more common (JD, Case, etc) dealerships. Also, am wondering about Same in general? Thanks!

SVcummins · Jul 2, 2018

The last one I worked on was 15 years old Agco sold them
under the Agco brand for awhile they are all electronically
controlled the throttle and everything is all buttons and wires
that?s great If you have the money to spend to fix it but maybe
not if you want something that will work in 10 years .

Bob · Jul 3, 2018

"if these tractors can be worked on by mechanics at more common (JD, Case, etc) dealerships"

I know NOTHING about "SAME" tractors but surely you know better than to take a certain brand of tractor to the dealership of another brand for service???

No matter what brand you have decided meets your needs/perspective on life, if you take it to the dealership shop of a competing company, you will be charged actual shop time while they muck with your machine (and in the best case scenario, do research and learn to fix it correctly, which takes $$$ TIME), vs. (HOPEFULLY) paying "book time" at the place that deals with your chosen brand.

If you are not buying new, with warranty, you are FAR better off to buy a machine with local brand support, or take it to a trusted independent shop.

SVcummins · Jul 3, 2018

The one new Holland dealer I worked at we worked on caterpillar, army jeeps , snow cats , forklifts , and any brand of tractor they could push pull drag or otherwise get in the shop mechanicing is all pretty basic with the occasional oh that different thrown in . Something like a same though I don?t know messed with one a little bit was 120 hp cab mfwd that a guy I know got a real good deal on he thought 😂.

JD Seller · Jul 3, 2018

I will second your going to need to find a local shop that will work on them that has some knowledge of how they work. Like SVCummins posted some models of early AGCO tractors were Same tractors. Truthfully they were nothing special. Terrible resale, poor handling, and known for having electrical issues. The only way I would even consider buying a Same would be one of the older mechanical non electronic ones. They were tough tractors.

Some of the newer models have Deutz motors and such but still have the Italian electronics . That will be the down fall of them. Fiat and Same both are know for electronic issues. That is hard for a smaller dealer or repair man to work on.

So any saving you may get in the purchase price may soon be lost IF you have many repairs.

rrlund · Jul 3, 2018

Maybe it's too early in the morning for me to remember,but which Agcos were SAME? They built a few Olivers that were sold in the European market,but none were shipped to the US. There were a few Whites that were Lamborghini,but other than those Euro Olivers,I don't recall one by SAME.

showcrop · Jul 3, 2018

(quoted from post at 03:41:52 07/03/18) Maybe it's too early in the morning for me to remember,but which Agcos were SAME? They built a few Olivers that were sold in the European market,but none were shipped to the US. There were a few Whites that were Lamborghini,but other than those Euro Olivers,I don't recall one by SAME.

I can remember the occasional Same being offered for sale in northern VT and NY 20 years ago. Maybe they came in via Canada.

Brendon-KS · Jul 3, 2018

From 1991 until about 1997 the under-120hp AGCO tractors were built by S+L+H which was a conglomeration of SAME, Lamborghini, and Hurliman. The various series numbers were the 4600, 5600, 6600, 7600, and 8600 comprising a total of 14 models. These tractors all had air-cooled engines common with their SAME-branded equivalents that were sold in Europe.

LSaunders · Jul 3, 2018

Back in the 1970's the local Oliver dealer (Central Vermont) offered SAME tractors for a while. I don't know how many he ever sold. They were a separate line, not painted or labeled as Olivers.

BarnyardEngineering · Jul 3, 2018

What specific SAME tractor are you looking at?

rrlund · Jul 3, 2018

OK,since it's all the same company. The one's you're thinking of are the ones I always considered Lamborghini. I don't know that walking in to an AGCO dealer and asking for parts for one that wasn't badged as a White would get you very far though. SAME is still building tractors as far as I know and last time I knew were building tractors for every major brand. In fact,a few years ago they were the number one manufacturer of tractors in the world. Not in numbers sold under their own name,but in sheer numbers when you include all they build for other brands.

Donald in MN · Jul 3, 2018

generaly things are the same . you will have to find some one that has worked on air cooled diesels. the engines are time consuming to overhaul. if
the engine ever needs to be timed there are special tools that have to be used. there are metric mycromiters and exacat procedures that have to be
followed. there was a really good IH and deere mechanic i knew that put a cam in a Same buffalo and the tractor was traded the new coustomer brought
it to our shop with burnt valves and busted jugs. it would over heat under load. but there is no temp guage so you cant tell if it is getting hot .
the cam was only off a couple degrees. one other concern is the hydrullic pto take carefull measurments of the hydrullic valve when taking it apart
getting the distace off by more than an 1/8 inch will make it not work.

Stony.Ridge.Farm · Jul 3, 2018

Thanks for all the responses! This will be my first tractor and I think I can buy an early 2000s model Same 100hp tractor for A LOT less than a more commonly known tractor, however with the concerns of parts and mechanic availability I may re-think my intended purchase. The Same tractor I am looking at has low hours and is very clean but I don't know much about tractors and definitely cannot work on one myself (especially if it needs special calibrating tools). It seems the Same company is reputable world-wide and has been around for awhile - just wish there were more around!!

Also, what are peoples thoughts on Quicke loaders? Thanks!

AlinArk · Jul 3, 2018

doesn't matter they are all the SAME sorry could't help myself.

sotxbill · Jul 3, 2018

How can you say that!!.. I have ford and you keep saying you have the Same tractor, but its a different color. Its a different engine. I keep saying its not the same, but you say "Yes, it is.

Who is on first!!!!!

Nick m · Jul 3, 2018

I worked at a dealer in Michigan in the
early 2000's that sold handful while I
worked there. Was there almost 2 yrs and
saw 5ish sold. Seems like they were around
80hp. Were all narrow orchard/vineyard
tractors. Didn't see any come back with
issues, but a small sample size and the
dealer is now out of business.

davpal · Jul 4, 2018

Only one I remember was being used as a pullback tractor at a tractor pull I was at in the late 70's. It looked like it was about 125 hp with mfwd and had a cab and was new. At the end of the pull they hooked it on the sled and it pretty much did a full pull. Crowd was impressed. Then they hooked an army tank on the sled and pulled it all the way to the far end and could have gone to the next town with it if they wanted too. That was impressive.

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