john in la
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I keep hearing about oil made from natural gas.
Educate me on this subject.
Good bad or indifferent.
Educate me on this subject.
Good bad or indifferent.
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timcasbolt
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Motors don't need very much oil. Engines, on the other hand, rely on the stuff.
fastfarmall
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There a good 2 minute clip on you tube,but it didn't really impress me, the low ash improvement years ago, is all i need !!
Crazy Horse
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Tim, your reply raises the old motor (electric) vs engine (gas or diesel) question which I'm sure has been debated here
before .... and is probably "moot" (Web Definition: Having little or no practical relevance, typically because the subject
is too uncertain to allow a decision). Anyways, for those that insist that something gas or diesel powered is an engine, and
something electrical powered is a motor, how do those people explain that pretty much every container of oil you buy for your
car or truck is labelled as being MOTOR OIL (and not engine oil)?
before .... and is probably "moot" (Web Definition: Having little or no practical relevance, typically because the subject
is too uncertain to allow a decision). Anyways, for those that insist that something gas or diesel powered is an engine, and
something electrical powered is a motor, how do those people explain that pretty much every container of oil you buy for your
car or truck is labelled as being MOTOR OIL (and not engine oil)?
Traditional Farmer
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Engines are what pull trains and #2)attacked folks in wagon trains in TV shows(LOL)
timcasbolt
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You're absolutely right. Reminds me of a story from my former life as a drag racer when someone starts talking about the difference between an engine and a motor, and the other guy says "if Warren Johnson says I blew the motor, it's a motor."
Extremely good oils are made from this base. These oils are good for extreme use... such as extremely cold...
Almost as good oils are made by hydrotreating dino oils resulting in an group III oil that is 95 percent as good has the group 4 and group 5 oils and work as well in most applications.
SO.... if you constantly operate equipment at 50 below zero, you need the better oil... If you run your oil temperature above 275 degree, you need the better oil. For the rest of us, the group III oils and blends are just fine and will perform just as well in most environments.
In Siberia, at 50 below, all engines are started in a heated garage, and must NOT be turned off out side or they will not restart. In outerspace, the group iv and group v oils must be used.
In the US, we have great oils and greater oils for the most part. Unless you buy a single weight non detergent oil, your will get a medium to great oil.
In europe, they have ratings for regular oil, light duty diesel oils, and heavy duty diesel oils so one must be a bit more careful in selecting oils for the correct application.
kcm.MN
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[b:891f09ee85]john in la[/b:891f09ee85], do a Youtube search for "[i:891f09ee85]waste plastic into oil[/i:891f09ee85]" and see what comes up. Even waste plastics can be made into all of the various grades of oils, including diesel.
To me a motor is remote from the energy generating as in electric motor or hydraulic motor. An engine is more self contained, generating the energy and mechanical movement in one unit. A boiler and remote steam "engine" isn't a "steam engine" under this definition. A locomotive would fit the definition of steam engine.
john in la
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Somebody needs to tell the oil companies that as
every bottle I have seen has motor oil on it.
every bottle I have seen has motor oil on it.
Several years ago a company built a demo plant near Tulsa to convert NG to diesel. Most of the product was shipped to Seattle for use in city buses as it was a very clean burning diesel.
after a few years, the company was sold to another, in Houston I think, and the pilot plant demolished.
I guess the answer is, yes it has been done, but probably not economical at current crude prices. but for specific uses, like high quality base stock for special oils, it works.
after a few years, the company was sold to another, in Houston I think, and the pilot plant demolished.
I guess the answer is, yes it has been done, but probably not economical at current crude prices. but for specific uses, like high quality base stock for special oils, it works.
buickanddeere
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Group II and Group III synthetics are just pretenders . Group I ve and Group V are made from compounds with a higher spec than dead dinosaurs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil
they've been doing it for a long time.
basically synthetic lubricants are made from "pure" ingredients. they pull these ingredients from natural gas and them combine them into the best combination to make the best oil without the undesirable ingredients they chose to not (expensive) remove from crude oil.
some ingredients in synthetics are/can be from crude oil as well.
so its not necessarily made from Nat gas but from parts of nat gas.
basically synthetic lubricants are made from "pure" ingredients. they pull these ingredients from natural gas and them combine them into the best combination to make the best oil without the undesirable ingredients they chose to not (expensive) remove from crude oil.
some ingredients in synthetics are/can be from crude oil as well.
so its not necessarily made from Nat gas but from parts of nat gas.
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