Older is better than the new junk

I work on a farm. I went into work Saturday morning to disc some ground for sowing some seed. I used the tractor Friday night and it was great then Saturday morning I used it for about an hour then the 6430 john deere quit pulling and throw a code up.i cut the tractor off and let it sit for a few minutes started it up and it kept throwing the same code. The code was "transmission restriction with a code and contact dealer ". I called the boss he brought me a 6415 john deere i Finished disking with it. Then I had to limp the 6430 back to the shop i could go a few feet then the code would come on and it would quit pulling shift to neutral then back to forward it took awhile but I got it back to the shop.


There is to much computer stuff on this new technology that people don't need. People farmed for years without and had less headaches

When was last time fluid serviced?

Tractor has just over a thousand hours.
We changed it today and still doing the same thing

Less than thousand total, that sucks.

yep, that's why I have old stuff. I am in control not the computer.

Most of us already knew that but thanks for reaffirming it for us 🙃

Change the fuel filter. Friend had the same tractor and had the same problem. Dealer came out and fixed it the first time. The second time a mechanic told him to change the fuel filter and that took care of the issue.

I know the frustration of nuisance codes, but your transmission code did bring something to mind. Last winter our payloader threw a code and went into derate and had a transmission code for a slipping clutch pack. No noticeable problem till it would derate when it set the code. Oil looked fine not full of metal but research said transmission had to come out and we tore it down expecting to see a blued burnt clutch pack like I have seen in many machines before...but there wasn't, just a clutch pack worn to the end of it's usual life, no catastrophic overheating and seizing or exploding the clutch housing and filling the transmission with metal...so strange. We rebuilt it pretty affordably because the electronics told it there was a problem and didn't let it do further damage as traditionally would happen! So they do have their upsides indeed

ok smartazz, I was agreeing with his title. can u fix his code?

You left out the most important part of information. The code can tell a lot, but it actually needs to be read, not just complained about.

I have a 2018 Peterbilt that I keep at the Fire Station. I do let other members drive it when I am not around. Sometimes when I. ask bout a specific concern like oil pressure dropping, the deputy will look it up on his 'phone. You don't need to carry huge paper books with you to be able to tell what the codes mean.

I agree people are getting stupid. Relying to much on computer to tell them what to do. Onan/Cummins had a problem. With if I remember correctly a code 51 showing up. Turns out there is no code 51.

I was in an parts house. Was told the computer says we don't have that part.I said well I can see six of them from here.Kid only believed what that screen told him.How many sales were lost because they believed the computer.

Yup the old stuff is great. It will let you keep going until things are totally pooched, rather than stopping you while the damage is limited.

C'mon guys, we've all done it. Starts making a funny noise, gotta get the job done, keep going. Creaking, snapping, popping, gotta get the job done, keep going. Knocking and smoking, gotta get the job done, keep going. "What's that smell?" gotta get the job done, keep going... until she won't go no more.

On an old 4020, ain't no big deal, just pull it off in the weeds and get another one. But do you really want to treat a $150,000+ tractor like that? I guess if it ain't yours...

That is more of an operators fault. No computer will ever solve that.

A guy I know had one of the first CIH 7150 Magnums. It had a system override switch to the left of the steering column. It shut down in the middle of the field. He decides to override the system and started it back up and drove it to the end. In doing so, he seized the engine. Same guy had a CIH 2188 Axial Flow combine. It had a clogged fuel filter and was powering out. He would not take the time to change the fuel filter until the end of the day. Same guy had a new J-M Auger Cart. He would not take the time to retorque the wheels. Guess what the left wheel came off while loaded. I can tell more. Stupid is as Stupid does.

Just like evry stinkin "new" Car on the road.

everystinking one of em broke down with the hood up and some hillbilly scratchin his head hee hawin about it

Not sure why cars even have a hood release on them anymore they just run hundreds of thousands of miles endlessly same pump starter alternator ac pump sensors and computers

gotta love that 62 ford falcon
the beetlebug with it's 1000mi tune up and oil changes
eeek4 on fords and CCC on GM's

maybe the tractor was flood salvaged

My perspective on this is it sucks the tractor failed, but maybe the computer saved you thousands on repairs.

Let us know the outcome.

AGONAIR .... a factory override switch or something put in by himself or someone else?

Your friend was a bear for punishment by the sounds of it, hopefully he learned a lesson or two from his experiences. Does he know that he screwed up?

That?s why you hire an operator not an idiot doesn?t
matter new or old if you ain?t smart enough to stop
and fix it you?ll have a pile of junk whether it?s new
or old that?s why some guys cry and complain how
big of a piece of piece junk this brand is or that
brand is because they aren?t smart enough to stop
when they know they have a problem or they are so
out of touch with what they?re doing they don?t even
know they had a problem until its to late

A lot of newer machines have an override switch so you can get back to the shed or off the road . The csse ih tractors were the only tractor I?ve been around that had one

Myself, I draw the line at the year 2000. I won't buy a car, tractor or any vehicle made in the 21st century. The electronics in the 80's and 90's is bad enough but at least you can see the motor.

The problem for us is the manufacturers do not want us to work on them. they want you to bring it back to them to repair. they don't rebuild anything anymore they just replace it with new stuff that will also break down. its all about money money money. then the other problem are the old timer that can fix these things are dying off. the younger generation can only work out of books. folks the time is changing. just the way it is.

Pinball ..... I think most people, especially with new cars and trucks, would disagree with anyone even suggesting that things were better years ago just because one-in-a-hundred buyers might be able to fix a problem. The reliability of cars and trucks these days puts the old ones to shame, hands down. I hear the same thing about wanting to be in a '58 Buick in a head-on collision as opposed to a new Honda Civic for example. Scientific tests show that the guy in the old Buick has a far less chance of surviving.

Hey Hey!! We better watch it on this thread. I think that a lot of us are in danger of getting our old fa**t cards pulled sounding like we approve of some modern machines, LOL.

I can still remember 7500 mile tires, once a year mufflers and batteries, 1000 mile oil changes and the list goes on.

People forget just how unreliable older equipment was, especially vehicles.

It was a $100 dollar sensor the John deere dealer said it is a common problem that happens he said that sensor breaks all that time its a fault in design

For me there are a whole lot of improvements in the newer mechanical things these days as you point out but there are a lot of negative things tone of the worst things on tractors is all the plastic,go out and use it like a tractor and it'll be broken to pieces in no time,while some sensors are good they have way overdone the sensor thing.Electronic controls on things like the PTO and hydraulics just adds another layer of expensive things to break down and give trouble.I'd rather have to change oil on a tractor more often if I don't have to spend a couple thousand$ on a computer problem or similar problem.

I guess that is me too,wife's Toyota Corolla is a 97 with around 270,000 miles and my main truck is a 99 Ford F550 with 160,000 miles both have been great vehicles and
still going strong.Most of my tractors are from the 60's and 70's as far as I can see they can do anything for me a new one would do at a whole lot less cost.

As others have said the bad old days were just that. 50's and 60's? Average car was 1000-2000 miles oil change. Plugs points and condenser every 12K. Average engine life before about 80-100K before rings and a valve job. New car 7500 or so for an oil change and the life of the engine on average is over 200,000 miles. Tune up every 100,000 miles.

Get over it. Heck 100 years ago cars and tractors were a novelty. Times change. Wife's grandfather farmed until 1953 when he retired. NEVER OWNED A TRACTOR! He farmed with horses until he retired. Didn't own a car till after WWII. And no, this wasn't some share cropper down south. He was a Norwegian who immigrated to the US as a teen, settle in MN and farmed.

What are you going to do when parts are NLA for that old 4020 or 806? As the collector markets dries up you are seeing fewer parts for some tractors now. When parts to rebuild that old JD/AC/MF/IH engine get so expensive it's no longer economically feasible to run it it's done. And really? IF you have a 5,000 tractor are you really going to dump 10K or more into repairs?

As far as the youth of today actually repairing stuff? Not economically feasible. When a shop has to charge 120 an hours to cover overhead and make a profit? You replace parts. Too expensive to fix em here. So replace here and send that thing off to a 3rd world country that pays a buck a day to rebuild it. If you can buy a new alternator for 250 and it takes 60 bucks for the parts to rebuild the old one you still gotta figure 3 hours of labor to clean, rebuild and test. Add in another hour to trouble shoot, R&I the alternator. So that's 100 bucks for a rebman, plus an hour, or 250 for new plus an hour or 4 hours plus parts. So install a reman runs 220 with labor, new 370 or rebuild in house? 520 parts and labor. It isn't because kids are too stupid to fix something. It isn't because of the money either. Most shops would make more rebuilding. But if it cost too much to repair then owners just buys another car. So the shop has to keep costs down.

Heck, look at it. Some small engines have a low oil shutdown. Just the companies protecting the buyer from themselves.

Rick

I'd bet a good size chunk of change that parts for popular tractors like a JD 4020 will be available when none will be available for some new tractors sitting on a dealers lot today.What is a new tractor comparable to a 4020 sell for today? $100,000? before spending the 100K$ I'd put 20K$ in the 4020 make it like new and enjoy having the 80K$.In 20 years the 4020 will probably sell for more at an auction than the new one bought today will sell for with all the electronics screwed up and the plastic hood and whatever all broken to pieces.

Reminds me of chief auto parts before they went belly up. They didn't survive the transition from paper to silicon.