Reporter @ Louisville farm show interviewed a territory manager for a major U S tractor company. I believe red paint. Reporter asked about delivery time on tractor orders placed at L-ville Show. The manager said we are telling customers to not expect delivery of tractor until middle of Q 4 or even into 2023. This seems a little far fetched to have to wait this long on a tractor order with companies operating at full force. Is this the new normal for new equipment orders ? One wonders if this guy knew what he was talking about. What have you heard ?
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Bob Bancroft
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That doesn't surprise me at all. Try to find tractor tires. Or many other things.
1948CaseVAI
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New tractors are like new trucks and cars - they depend on hundreds of components that the tractor maker cannot make on their own so they are captive to vendors just like Ford or Toyota.
Eric in IL
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This is my take on the situation:
It is here to stay. Businesses have been forced to try this limited supply sales strategy. I think they like it. It is working for them or it would be healed by now.
Gone are the days of new price shopping. Order what you want and pay what they want. Take it or leave it.
It is here to stay. Businesses have been forced to try this limited supply sales strategy. I think they like it. It is working for them or it would be healed by now.
Gone are the days of new price shopping. Order what you want and pay what they want. Take it or leave it.
johnofnewhaven
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Not far fetched at all. Same way with heavy duty trucks.
Gary from Iowa
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It is the rule of Supply and Demand. If it is not readily available people are willing to pay more. That is the way Corp American is operating. How else can they pay $15-16 dollars an hour at McDonalds ? We will continue to pay more for items simply because they are not available as we are use to. Supply and Demand, oldest way to conduct business and make more profit!!!
As a dealer the wait is one thing but for years say you came in and wanted a 15 ft woods cutter that we did not have it stock but was willing to wait 6 weeks or so for delivery. I could price it and woods would guarantee the price or deal. MOST vendors and tractors companies now are not even willing to price protect or guarantee the price when it gets here. So how do I price you a new KUBOTA RTV that want be here until next fall and get you signature, sure puts the dealer in a bad situation. The skid steer market is so upside down (waiting on deliveries) right now that guys that purchased a skid steer 15 months ago and have 600/700 hrs on them can sell them for more than they gave for them, of course they are then out of bussiness till they find another. So far I see no end to this supply issue with the majors. Yes you can find stuff on lots but most time it is brands that are just not that poplar or not selling well. My Sthil dealer told me he got the first order of saws in the other day that he has had in 24 months.
redforlife
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Just yesterday, I talked to a guy that works at a place that builds new trailers. He said that they are back logged one full year on orders. Meaning, if they didn't get anymore NEW orders, they could stay busy for one year on the orders they currently have.
I checked into getting a new bale feeder early winter. The brand/kind I prefer from local coop (huge coop chain) that stocks them for sales. Didn't have one on location. They checked to see, and didn't have one in thier entire system anywhere else (other locations). They said thier manufacturer/supplier is currently not even making them. I'm assuming because of high iron prices, if not, the supply of it.
I checked into getting a new bale feeder early winter. The brand/kind I prefer from local coop (huge coop chain) that stocks them for sales. Didn't have one on location. They checked to see, and didn't have one in thier entire system anywhere else (other locations). They said thier manufacturer/supplier is currently not even making them. I'm assuming because of high iron prices, if not, the supply of it.
timcasbolt
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I think you're on to something. For years manufacturers have been using just in time production philosophies, and today's market is the only scenario where jit works.
Its not the first time. In 79 . I tried to by a new diesel VW. They told me what color it was on the outside and what color it was on the inside. $500.00 down and It might be in in the spring maybe early summer. I am sure they sold it to somebody but it was not me. The price was an odd number like $79 on the end and they would not come down the $79. I bought a Mercedes
Is it the new normal? No, it is the current normal. The market will change. It always has and always will.
For most manufacturers production is up from previous years. Demand is up even more. Manufacturers would build more if they could.
And yes, that TSM was telling the truth.
PS I ordered a mower deck in November. I was told June delivery at the time. Well see how long I need to use the antique come summer.
For most manufacturers production is up from previous years. Demand is up even more. Manufacturers would build more if they could.
And yes, that TSM was telling the truth.
PS I ordered a mower deck in November. I was told June delivery at the time. Well see how long I need to use the antique come summer.
Crazy Horse
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504 ..... sounds like you inherited some money while the negotiating with VW was going on ...... LOL !!!
Back in 1973 dad waited from July to December for delivery of a JD 4230. About ten years ago there were long wait times for new combine deliveries. Grain prices are high now too, so grain farmers have excess income that they need to get spent on new equipment, land chemicals, etc. before the end of the year.
Not heard but seen. We spent the past week traveling thru Oklahoma, Kansas, and central Texas then back thru east Texas and Missouri to Iowa. Mostly state highways and smaller towns. I seen several lots with ample supply of small <50HP tractors but only a handful of new 100+ HP tractors. Lots that had some bigger tractors, might have only two or three at the most and those may already have buyers. And I don't recall seeing anything what I would consider good used larger tractors. For the acreage owner wanting smaller tractor the supply looked good. Lots of short line equipment dealers had mowers and small tillage implements. Priefert Manufacturing in Mt. Pleasant TX had acres of animal equipment.
Nothing too new. In my early working days i had to order high pressure pipeline valves at least a year in advance of construction and price would be fixed at time of delivery. I suspect a lot of the current shortages are hording related that is people ordering ahead. Remember the paper shortage of months ago.
BarnyardEngineering
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You keep forgetting that there was ZERO production for several months. Right from the get-go financial experts were saying that it could be YEARS before the supply chain recovered.
Faking the "limtied supply demand economy" is only going to last until someone blinks. EVERYONE has to cooperate to keep it going, and there is no way that's going to happen.
Someone's going to wake up one morning and realize that they can grab up market share by having, for example, tractors on the lot ready to go, and competitively priced. The rest of the market is going to say "Oh no! If you're doing to do it we're going to do it too!" and it will be back to business as usual.
There is just too much money at stake, and everyone is too greedy for this to be any sort of conspiracy. This is real.
Faking the "limtied supply demand economy" is only going to last until someone blinks. EVERYONE has to cooperate to keep it going, and there is no way that's going to happen.
Someone's going to wake up one morning and realize that they can grab up market share by having, for example, tractors on the lot ready to go, and competitively priced. The rest of the market is going to say "Oh no! If you're doing to do it we're going to do it too!" and it will be back to business as usual.
There is just too much money at stake, and everyone is too greedy for this to be any sort of conspiracy. This is real.
BarnyardEngineering
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So what's wrong with the planter that they used last year?
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