Dual loader model 200 to mount on MF 1085

I've recently aquired a loader, dual model 200, to mount on my MF1085. , Could anyone tell me where mounting brackets can be found, or diagrams for fabricating them myself. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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I would set the frame on some blocks then drive tractor up close. check clearances as I is moved into the appropriate location on the tractor. Then mark out the size and places for bolts and how the loader sets around the tractor. After measurements and notes are taken even some pictures with tape measure in it start cutting and welding. Using plenty heavy iron for the mounts and brackets.

(quoted from post at 06:36:00 11/24/22) I've recently aquired a loader, dual model 200, to mount on my MF1085. , Could anyone tell me where mounting brackets can be found, or diagrams for fabricating them myself. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Woods bought Du-Al. You can try talking to a Woods dealer, but it may not yield much for you.

Several years ago I got a Dual 325 for my SMTA. I sent email to Woods and was able to get operator manual with parts shown. I have gotten seals and parts from Messicks so you might try them also

I'll definitely look into it. Thanks

I've done just that, holding out for easy fix, just ain't my bag.. My only real concern is the mount location on tractor being capable of supporting lifting plus weight of loader.

For support just make it tie into the rear axle for the back and fasten to the front over the front axle problem solved and no real stress on the tractor.

I built my own mounts for a JD 510 Loader I got cheap. I used 6 inch square tube coming forward from mounts on the rear axles, to about mid-point on the frame. Built a heavy c-channel cross plate under the center of the frame, and then diagonalled down from the uprights, to the front just above the front axle, with heavy-wall 2 inch square. Using the big square tube let me build my 8 gallon reservoir into the frame, but making it oil proof was not fun. I learned a thing or two about turning corners while welding a bead. steve

PS: Cat guy explained it better. I can send a pic, if it will help figure yours out. steve

PS 2: I don't see any pictures on the net of a rear axle-mounted loader frame on a 1085. That tells me the tractor is strong enough to just mount to the center, and the front. Lots of pictures to go by. Probably some mount points already engineered into the frame/chassis.

Ideally, you want to mount the loader on a subframe that puts the stress on the bolster, and rear axle................and nothing in between.



Some tractors are more suitable for loaders. For instance........I'd sooner walk on hot coals, than put a loader on my Oliver 1850. I don't feel there's a good way to do it, without compromising the tractor. (I know folks do it, but it's their choice, not mine)

The MF looks to have a machined area near the bolster that could be an anchor point, but you have a mess to get around, under the operator's platform. Is what it is, but doable I guess. But, under no circumstances, just hang a loader on that one area. You have to have something that goes to the rear axle to help take the leverage generated by the loader.

I always tell people to either be the puddle(welding), or visualize the force(design)

The load on the forks will press down on the front pins at the bolster, but will want to pull upwards at the pocket near the operator's station. Because it's a rotational force, the front pins take less than the full load.......due to the length of the "lever" between the bolster, and pocket.

Ideally, I would have liked to concentrate the entire moment at the pocket in front of the operator's station, but it was not a viable option. I wanted an easy quick attach system, so it was easier to carry the loader on front pins, and the pocket.

Ultimately, the design took the stress off of any one point on the actual tractor frame(in fact, the actual tractor frame is completely isolated from the load). I simply don't believe that older tractors were adequately designed for loaders. Most modern ones are better suited for loaders. But, in many cases, there's a workaround.

Your load is a cantilever type of load. It transfers to the top of the loader mast, then to the base of the mast.

The ultimate question is, whether you want to concentrate the entire amount of torque in a particular place on the tractor frame, or spread it between fore/aft positions via a sub frame.

Messick's had mine, but not cheap.

Quite a few detail pictures of a 1085 with a Dual 240 loader here:

https://westernauctionco.hibid.com/...sey-ferguson-1085-farm-tractor-w-dual-loader/

I almost think you HAVE to go to the axles on a 1085. Doesn't seem like there are any mounting pads "amidships" that is around the bell housing area. Plus the engine is used as the frame on those. Going to take some creativity because you have to go down and under the (battery boxes/fuel tanks?) to get to the rear axle.

Oh wow, I finally found some images of a 200 and it's nothing like a 240.

The 200 just clamps to the axle and has a brace running down and forward. Pretty simple generic setup. There are no "mounting brackets" per se as you would see on a modern quick attach loader.



I think it's meant for the older tractors like the MH44 for example with the operator's platform set at the very rear of the tractor. The 1085 sits quite a bit forward of that