I have a Massey Ferguson 1440v and after adding engine oil to the full mark on the dipstick I started the tractor back up and let it idle for about five minutes and then checked the oil again on the dipstick and it did not show any oil at all. Anybody have any ideas on where that oil went. There are no leaks anywhere that I can see. Thanks
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onefarmer
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- 6735 S Lowell Rd, St Johns, Mi 48879
Sometimes an engine gets crusted up inside and the drainback holes in the upper portions of the engine get plugged. This will hold the oil out of the oil pan until it can eventually drip back down.
caterpillar guy
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If you shut it down then right away checked the oil it is all up on the sides of the engine. Let it set for half an hour then recheck I'd bet the oil is back to full again.
redforlife
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Was this after an oil change?? If the oil
filter was installed empty, it would be
filled up once engine was started. I would
rather think that it would show low on the
dipstick afterwards, rather than none at
all, but might explain where some of it
went. Of course this is considering you
were conducting an oil change, and
installed the filter empty. If not, dis-
reguard this scenerio.
I have heard stories of filters leaking
after install, or people forgetting to put
the drain plug back in. This of course
would make a mess on the floor or ground
underneath. But if you still had drain pans
in place underneath from doing an oil
change, the leaking filter seal could of
just leaked new oil into the drain pan that
was already there, and already had some
drained oil in it. The plug being left out
obviously wouldn't be the cause, since you
were able to fill the crankcase to full.
But the filter seal is a possibilty.
Otherwise, you have some sort of
considerable problem. As in, what's already
benn suggested or otherwise.
filter was installed empty, it would be
filled up once engine was started. I would
rather think that it would show low on the
dipstick afterwards, rather than none at
all, but might explain where some of it
went. Of course this is considering you
were conducting an oil change, and
installed the filter empty. If not, dis-
reguard this scenerio.
I have heard stories of filters leaking
after install, or people forgetting to put
the drain plug back in. This of course
would make a mess on the floor or ground
underneath. But if you still had drain pans
in place underneath from doing an oil
change, the leaking filter seal could of
just leaked new oil into the drain pan that
was already there, and already had some
drained oil in it. The plug being left out
obviously wouldn't be the cause, since you
were able to fill the crankcase to full.
But the filter seal is a possibilty.
Otherwise, you have some sort of
considerable problem. As in, what's already
benn suggested or otherwise.
I let it sit for 20 minutes and then checked it and still nothing on the dipstick.
What happened the first time was I was just driving it and the oil light started flashing so I pulled it into the shed and checked the dipstick and it did not read anything on it which was really unusual. So I added a quart at a time and it took 3 1/2 quarts and the dipstick showed it was full. So I started it up and ran it for about 10 minutes and the oil light started flashing again. I shut it back down and checked the dipstick and there was nothing on it again. Really strange it seems.
DoubleO7
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- Location
- Crystal River, FL
Has your rad been pushing coolant out?
Have you pulled the tranny and rear axle fill plugs to see where they are at?
It is going somewhere if not external.
Majorman
Well-known Member
- Location
- Scarning, Norfolk, England
Any chance that the oil is getting transferred to the transmission via an engine mounted
hydraulic pump with a faulty seal? Do not know this tractor but have seen some weird things like
that happen to others, in the past.
hydraulic pump with a faulty seal? Do not know this tractor but have seen some weird things like
that happen to others, in the past.
showcrop
Well-known Member
The only possible scenario that I see is that your rear main oil seal suffered a sudden major failure, as a torn bellows. There is a drain in the bottom of the bell housing to let the oil out when that seal leaks, as they all ultimately do, but those holes get plugged.
Rich'sToys
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- Southern MN
BarnyardEngineering
Well-known Member
- Location
- Rochester, NY
It's not magic. The oil has to be going SOMEWHERE. If not on the ground, it has to be going into the rear end of the tractor, OR it's blowing out the exhaust pipe, due to a failed turbo seal.
I would think if the tractor were billowing black smoke, you would have mentioned that, but stranger things have happened.
I would think if the tractor were billowing black smoke, you would have mentioned that, but stranger things have happened.
More than once, half a dozen times for a number, pulled the dipstick to find it low or not registering, wiped it off,
reinserted it and got the correct. Most current case was a used tractor I just purchased. The OEM said 2 gallons. I
changed the oil putting in 2 gallons. Measured with the DS and it was right on. Come back roughly a week later with
the tractor sitting and pull the dipstick....for some reason. It showed well below the low mark. The tractor hadn't
been run and there was no oil on the ground. I wiped it off and reinserted and it read correct.
Another case was a new tractor that I checked after sitting for awhile, not having previously checked the hyd oil. The
reading was around the low mark.....I thought hmmmmmm assy line didn't properly fill the sump.....dried off the stick
reinserted and it read full.....again, it was sitting in my shop on a concrete floor and no oil had leaked out.
reinserted it and got the correct. Most current case was a used tractor I just purchased. The OEM said 2 gallons. I
changed the oil putting in 2 gallons. Measured with the DS and it was right on. Come back roughly a week later with
the tractor sitting and pull the dipstick....for some reason. It showed well below the low mark. The tractor hadn't
been run and there was no oil on the ground. I wiped it off and reinserted and it read correct.
Another case was a new tractor that I checked after sitting for awhile, not having previously checked the hyd oil. The
reading was around the low mark.....I thought hmmmmmm assy line didn't properly fill the sump.....dried off the stick
reinserted and it read full.....again, it was sitting in my shop on a concrete floor and no oil had leaked out.
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