What Engine??

Masseyharrisnut · Dec 5, 2023

Pushed my Cletrac/Avery/Montgomery Ward/Massey Harris tractor in the shop today to see how bad the engine is. It has been sitting out in a field for over 40 years. I
think the tag on the engine is from a rebuilder but Im hoping someone can help me with what engine it is for sure so I can locate parts or a complete engine.

Shes in pretty rough condition.

Bob Bancroft · Dec 5, 2023

My little bit of research comes up with Hercules.

Princeton Bill · Dec 5, 2023

Contact Zimmerman Cletrac in Pennsylvania. They will be able to help with advice and parts.

showcrop · Dec 5, 2023

Needs just a quick decking.

sms · Dec 5, 2023

From this site.
YT discussion

Butch(OH) · Dec 5, 2023

These people are local to me and the best place for your Hercules parts needs. They had everything I needed to get through an IXB.
Hercules Motor Co

Richard G. · Dec 5, 2023

Yep, knew it was Hercules as soon as I saw the tag.
An IXB engine should fit it if you find one.

dhermesc · Dec 5, 2023

Start soaking it with ATF then gently tap it with a block of wood and it should break free.

The above is a joke as that seems to be part of the advice given to every person who posts about having a locked up engine from sitting too long. The difference is Masseyharrisnut actually started with what I advise everyone to do after the first attempt fails - pull the head and see what you're dealing with. I am betting half the engines that are posted about being locked up look like this (or worse) and trying to free it up and then use is a waste of time, money and effort.

Sorry I have no advice on where to find a replacement engine. I hope you find one.

Richard G. · Dec 5, 2023

That looks like an original tag.
The 008 and 006 may have been done after a rebuild.
Probably has babbitt bearings.
The IXB I worked on did.

BarnyardEngineering · Dec 5, 2023

Your engine is a Hercules IXK3, which is apparently a lower displacement version of the IXB series engine.

Masseyharrisnut · Dec 5, 2023

Thanks BarnyardEngineering for the information. And thanks to everyone else for your help and comments.

stevieb49829 · Dec 5, 2023

I think your title says it all: What engine? Is there one under there somewhere? Here's hoping you find the bottom end in better shape than the top!! Was there water in the pan too? How about the tranny and differential? If there were broken shifter boots and it sat that long, this whole tractor might just be a bunch of cast iron cases. It is definitely a challenge, but with that long name and pedigree, who could blame you for trying to save it. Steve

Masseyharrisnut · Dec 5, 2023

Hi Steve. Its absolutely amazing to me but there wasnt a drop of water in the oil pan. And only a few drops came out of the transmission. Definitely want to save it. Hopefully someday I will be able to find out more about how many where sold into Canada as a Massey Harris. Thanks and be safe.

fdt860 · Dec 5, 2023

(quoted from post at 23:12:50 12/04/23) Pushed my Cletrac/Avery/Montgomery Ward/Massey Harris tractor in the shop today to see how bad the engine is. It has been sitting out in a field for over 40 years. I
think the tag on the engine is from a rebuilder but Im hoping someone can help me with what engine it is for sure so I can locate parts or a complete engine.
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Shes in pretty rough condition.

Just for fun,you may go in there with a wirebrush,then hone it with old stones, poor two bottles of pb blaster in it and see.
It all depends if you have time to.loose or not. But getting this loose and running will be fun.

rustred · Dec 5, 2023

That would be a nice red one to have. I would remove the engine and strip it to the bare block. Then haul it to a machine shop and have it hot tanked. If you cant push the sleeves out get them to. Then after that inspect the block for cracks and go to it. It would be a nice little project to work on as in everything is light , can pack that block under your arm. Not bad of a job. Then u know whats in your engine. No pancake syrup there.

rustred · Dec 5, 2023

Forgot to say I would do that job.

stevieb49829 · Dec 5, 2023

That's really good to hear. Then even the engine might be saved, as long as the pistons, lifters and valves will come out of their bores. I know you'll post progress reports. Looking forward to the day it looks almost as good as the 25!! steve

stevieb49829 · Dec 5, 2023

I think the other GL did a cub lately that looked as bad. I cringe at the looks of it, but it might be better than it looks. Especially with two of the pistons near the top of the stroke.

Richard G. · Dec 5, 2023

As I have said before, the MH tractors are some of my favorites.
The 1946 101 SR that I pulled my sawmill with for years was a very stout well made tractor.
Thank you Sir for saving some of these great tractors.

Masseyharrisnut · Dec 5, 2023

It will be awhile before I work on it now. Kicked it out and brought another tractor in.

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